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Biden Misleads with Accusation of Tax Increase (Another Gaffe)
AP ^ | 9-26-2008

Posted on 09/26/2008 5:53:48 PM PDT by My Favorite Headache

WASHINGTON - Joe Biden charged Thursday during a campaign stop in Pennsylvania that John McCain's tax proposals for health insurance would be "the largest tax increase in the history of America for the middle class." He was wrong.

McCain does propose taxing the health benefits that some 156 million people get through the workplace. That's a major change, because now no income taxes are levied on those benefits, but it's not the whole story.

So, as Biden explained, someone who makes $40,000 and gets $12,000 in health insurance benefits would end up paying income taxes on $52,000. But what Biden didn't say was that McCain also proposes to give the insured a new tax break in exchange — a $2,500 tax credit for individuals and a $5,000 tax credit for families.

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TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: biden; gaffe; healthcare; lies; mccainpalin; obamabiden; standupchuck; taxes
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1 posted on 09/26/2008 5:53:48 PM PDT by My Favorite Headache
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To take Biden’s comparison one step further, consider his $40,000 family whose insurance cost $12,000. That family is in the 15 percent tax bracket. So, multiplying that additional $12,000 in income by 15 percent means that the family in Biden’s example currently gets an $1,800 federal income-tax break. McCain’s tax break for that family would be $5,000.


2 posted on 09/26/2008 5:55:20 PM PDT by My Favorite Headache (Forget the 3AM phone call. Obama canÂ’t even answer the phone at 3PM.)
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3 posted on 09/26/2008 5:56:27 PM PDT by My Favorite Headache (Forget the 3AM phone call. Obama canÂ’t even answer the phone at 3PM.)
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Can McCain have him arrested for telling lies and misleading the public?


4 posted on 09/26/2008 5:56:34 PM PDT by jennyjenny
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If George W Bush hasn’t had people arrested for lying about him , slander, smearing etc...nobody will ever be charged with anything ever again in the history of man kind!


5 posted on 09/26/2008 5:58:10 PM PDT by My Favorite Headache (Forget the 3AM phone call. Obama can not even answer the phone at 3PM.)
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Highest tax increase in history for ANYONE Joe? You freakin’ moron -— that honor belongs to Billy Clinton who instigated the largest single income tax increase in history upon the American public shortly after taking office — another good tax-and-spend socialist.

Lies work so much better for the DimoRATS....the truth will put them out of business...


6 posted on 09/26/2008 5:58:11 PM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: EagleUSA

You know what I love about this story? Front page on Yahoo News right now.


7 posted on 09/26/2008 5:58:43 PM PDT by My Favorite Headache (Forget the 3AM phone call. Obama can not even answer the phone at 3PM.)
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To: jennyjenny

Just in Missouri, the state that gave us the “black churches will burn” ad campaign.


8 posted on 09/26/2008 5:59:14 PM PDT by jimfree (Dems beat up girls who don't toe the line.)
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To: jennyjenny

If only he had said those words in Missouri today!


9 posted on 09/26/2008 5:59:34 PM PDT by CitizenM ("An excuse is worse than an lie, because an excuse is a lie hidden." Pope John Paul, II)
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"Can McCain have him arrested for telling lies and misleading the public?"

In Missouri he could...

10 posted on 09/26/2008 6:02:26 PM PDT by Redbob (W.W.J.B.D. - "What Would Jack Bauer Do?")
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To: My Favorite Headache

I wonder how often this buffoon wished he had turned Obama down when asked if he would accept the VP slot. I mean, after all, he could gaffe to his hearts content without national notice in his position as a senator. ;-)


11 posted on 09/26/2008 6:02:47 PM PDT by doc1019 (Obama IS running against Palin)
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Where are you Stalinist prosecutors in Missouri on this? Are you going to arrest Biden for intentionally telling a lie against McCain? Or in your warped minds are you only going to prosecute to protect the Messiah? Burn in hell arses.
12 posted on 09/26/2008 6:05:09 PM PDT by jrooney (Obama's mentor says God Da*n America. That explains Obama's refusal to put his hand over his heart.)
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bttt


13 posted on 09/26/2008 6:08:40 PM PDT by ConservativeMan55 (Obama is the Democrats guy. They bought the ticket, now they must take the ride.)
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I had some idiot tell me that under McCain, you would have to count insurance reimbursements as income.

He actually claimed that his recent $80K insurance covered hospital stay would cost him $13,000 more in taxes.

And this is a guy who was a former State employee before Mitch Daniels ditched a bunch of them.


14 posted on 09/26/2008 6:16:09 PM PDT by digger48
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The ticket of Obama/Biden demonstrates the lack of professionalism, competency, truthfulness of integrity in the entirety of the DNC...

It also shows the contempt which they feel for the American people...

15 posted on 09/26/2008 7:10:56 PM PDT by river rat (Semper Fi - You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: EagleUSA
Joe Biden! :-)
Go Joe!

Go Joe!

16 posted on 09/26/2008 7:35:04 PM PDT by hiredhand
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Those aghast at the notion of paying income tax on health insurance should enjoy this historical note.

During WWII some industries were locked by the FedGov on wages. SO to increase the draw for experianced workers, outfits like Kaiser Shipbuilding offered health coverage - something new to American workers. After the war, it continued. Oddly, the shipbuilding company that started this as a nationwide trend went under long ago, but the health care arm is still around. Do you know the name?

OK see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaiser_Permanente

17 posted on 09/26/2008 8:28:57 PM PDT by ASOC (Have a nice day, just don't have it around me (bumper sticker))
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I thought that tax credit was only if you went out and purchased your own insurance and your employer didn't provide it?

McCain is attempting to inject more competition in the economy - hence, the decision to tax insurance benefits. I think it is one way to increase competition, but as a survivor of breast cancer, who in the hell is going to insure me if our employer drops us and I have to go out and get my own insurance?

Health insurance is a mess in this country, and frankly, neither party has a grasp on it, imo. They both suck.

18 posted on 09/26/2008 8:35:08 PM PDT by Texas_shutterbug
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5000 credit for families? I’ll tell you right now that my family makes around 60k a year and with the 1000 per child credit I get right now I’ll be making another 5000k per year off the gov’t.

Biggest tax increase? Hardly.. more subsidies from the rich absoultely.

Fair??? not a chance in hell.


19 posted on 09/26/2008 8:36:09 PM PDT by Almondjoy
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LOL!!!!!!


20 posted on 09/26/2008 8:37:59 PM PDT by ConservativeMan55 (Obama is the Democrats guy. They bought the ticket, now they must take the ride.)
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