Posted on 09/24/2008 1:11:08 PM PDT by Righting
Are you ever correct about ANYTHING GGG?
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Terrorism/PIJ.html
Harakat al-Jihad al-Islami al-Filastini, better known as Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ), was formed in 1979 by Islamic fundamentalist Fathi Shaqaqi and other radical Palestinian students in Egypt who had split from the Palestinian Muslim Brotherhood in the Gaza Strip whom they deemed too moderate. The 1979 Islamic revolution in Iran influenced the group’s founder, Shaqaqi, who believed the liberation of Palestine would unite the Arab and Muslim world into a single great Islamic state. Today, PIJ is committed to the creation of an Islamic Palestinian state and the destruction of Israel through a jihad (holy war).
Aside from Israel, PIJ also considers the United States an enemy because of its support for Israel. The PIJ also opposes moderate Arab governments that it believes have been tainted by Western secularism and has carried out attacks in Jordan, Lebanon and Egypt.
==Keep telling yourself that.
Interesting that you steadfastly avoid asking for evidence. What’s the matter, afraid you won’t be able to handle the truth?
Osama bin Lauden’s motivation is his conception of Islam, his goal is an Islamic state, not some “Temple of Darwin” secularist nonsense. His ENEMY is secularism.
Islamic Jihad's motivation is its conception of Islam, its goal is an Islamic state, not some “Temple of Darwin” secularist nonsense. Islamic Jihads stated enemy is secularism.
Handle THAT truth.
==I am the one supplying evidence, evidence which you have not contradicted.
So you don’t consider the fact that 71% of all Hezbollah (”Party of God”) suicide bombers turned out to be secular Communist/socialist revolutionaries?
==Islamic Jihad’s motivation is its conception of Islam, its goal is an Islamic state, not some “Temple of Darwin” secularist nonsense. Islamic Jihads stated enemy is secularism.
Did you know that Ayman al-Zawahiri, former head of Islamic Jihad, and Osama Bin Ladin’s right hand man, is a known KGB/FSB agent?
Islamic Jihad and Al Queda and Osama Bin Lauden are all ISLAMISTS TERRORISTS. They are in no way secular. Many Arab groups had support from the USSR, this is because the USA backed Israel...so the USSR backed the Arabs. Its as simple as that.
Are you going to tell me that Saddam Hussein ran a “secular government” also? Do you get ALL your talking points from NPR and the NYTimes?
==I don’t for a second believe your ‘darling of NPR and the NYTimes’ source that claims that 71% of Hezbollah suicide bombers are not inspired by Islam
Where is your evidence that Pape is lying? Facts are facts. It’s time you started facing up to them. He had a team of researches scour those videos and track down the families of the suicide bombers. Are you saying they are all involved in some sort of conspiracy to fabricate the data? If you have a problem with their interpretation of the data, then I will agree with you. But the data itself is crystal clear—a shocking 71% of Hezbollah “Party of God” suicide bombers turned out to be secular Communists/socialist revolutionaries.
==Islamic Jihad and Al Queda and Osama Bin Lauden are all ISLAMISTS TERRORISTS
Are you denying that Ayman al-Zawahiri (former head of the Islamic Jihad, and OBL’s right hand man) is a KGB/FSB agent?
Do you mean FORMER KGB agent? There is no more KGB.
Do you think Osama Bin Lauden is Communist inspired? Where is the evidence for it other than “guilt by association” with a FORMER KGB agent?
As I stated previously. We back Israel. The USSR backed the Arabs who oppose Israel. Its as simple as that.
Saddam Hussein flirted with Communism/Socialism as well, do you contend along with NPR and the NYTimes that Iraq under Hussein was a “secular regime”?
Saddam Hussein was a secular socialist revolutionary who transformed Iraq into a Soviet puppet regime. He occasionally used religion for political purposes to bolster support for his regime in times of crisis, in much the same way Stalin (a hardened anti-theist) revived the Russian Orthodox Church during WWII to stimulate patriotism and bolster support for the war effort. I bet you would have fallen for Stalin's ploy hook, line, and sinker.
“Allah is on our side. That is why we will beat the aggressor.” Saddam Hussein
Title of this film: ‘Obsession: Radical Islam's War Against the West’
GGG’s stance. Islam isn't radical, terrorism isn't Islam, and Islam is not at war against the West.
Why don't you try selling that garbage over at DU. I am sure they will lap it up. Be sure to tell them “its a religion of peace”.
Saddam Hussein came up through the revolutionary Ba’ath Party. Do you have any clue about the history of the Ba’ath Party, it's political program, or Saddam's role in it? One thing is for sure, you are as willfully blind as the bozos over at the DU. Correcting your ignorance has gone way beyond tedious. If maintaining your comfort zone is your primary goal, then perhaps you should limit your interactions to your fellow Temple of Darwin fanatics.
So you DO contend that Saddam Hussein ran a “secular” regime. Care to tell me what the writing on the Iraqi flag from 1991 to 2004 said in Saddam Hussein’s own handwriting?
It said “God is Great” in Arabic.
“God is on our side, and Satan is on the side of the United States.” Saddam Hussein
“Allah is on our side. That is why we will beat the aggressor.” Saddam Hussein
“Long live the people, long live the nation, down with the invaders, God is great, God is great.” Saddam Hussein
“Victory will be ours soon. Iraqis will strike the necks as God has commanded you.” Saddam Hussein
SURE SOUNDS SECULAR TO ME!!!
Saddam Hussein was never an atheist or “Darwinist” and you have no evidence he ever was. Hussein was always a Sunni Muslim. He called for all Islam to rise up and attack us as the enemies of God. Many in Islam agree with him.
Look, Allmendream, I will leave you with this. If you wish to pursue the connections further, be my guest. If not, that is fine too. Personally, I don’t find you honest enough to waste any more time on you. Bottom line, the Islamists are not behaving like Muslims any more than the Marxist-Leninist IRA behaved like Catholics.
Leftist-Atheist-Islamist alliance
Sunita Paul - 3/31/2008
Globally in recent years, Communists (leftists), atheists and Islamists are getting close and closer in forming anti West and anti American platform, which is gradually becoming a potential threat to international peace and stability. A number of top scholars in the West, including Daniel Pipes has written on such unique grouping of these elements. Although ideologically they seem to have very different agendas, in many cases, these groups have unified formulas such as anti-Semitic theory and spreading of religious hatred. While Islamists are rather open promoters of anti-Semitic theme, leftists and atheists promote such theory in a very tricky way.
Let us first have a glimpse over scenarios is the world. When the US-led coalition had its operations in Iraq in March 2003 to oust authoritarian Saddam Hussein, few would have imagined that the move might lead to the formation of an alliance between the radical Left and hard-line Islamists in Western Europe. But this is precisely what happened. In this month’s election for a new European Parliament, voters in several European Union countries, notably France and Britain, are offered common lists of Islamist and leftist candidates, often hidden under bland labels. The Islamist groups, for their part, are learning many tricks from the Left about how to exploit the inevitable weaknesses of an open society.
In Britain, the new Marxist-Islamist alliance is the offspring of the so-called anti-war coalition set up four years ago to prevent the liberation of Iraq. The coalition has a steering committee of 33 members. Of these, 18 come from various hard Left groups: communists, Trotskyites, Maoists, and Castroists. Three others belong to the radical wing of the Labor party. There are also eight radical Islamists. The remaining four are leftist ecologists known as Watermelons (Green outside, red inside). The chairman of the coalition is one Andrew Murray, a former employee of the Soviet Novosty Agency and leader of the British Communist Party. Co-chair is Muhammad Asalm Ijaz of the London Council of Mosques.
A prominent member is George Galloway, excluded couple of years back from the Labor party, who is under investigation for the illegal receipt of funds from Saddam Hussein. Galloway heads a list of candidates backed by several radical leftist groups, notably The British Socialist Workers Party (SWP), as well as the Muslim Association of Britain, the British branch of the Muslim Brotherhood, and a dozen Palestinian groups financed by Yasser Arafat.
The Palestinian checkered headgear, worn by the leftists as a cache-col, has become the symbol of this left-Islamist alliance.
Marxist-Islamist alliances have also been formed in Belgium and Germany, where the Muslim Brotherhood itself has been taken over by radicals sympathetic to al-Qaida. The European Marxist-Islamist coalition does not offer a coherent political platform. Its ideology is built around three themes: hatred of the United States, the dream of wiping Israel off the map, and the hoped-for collapse of the global economic system. Europe’s hard Left sees Muslims as the new under-class in the continent.
“Are these not the new slaves?” asks Olivier Besanconneau, leader of the French Trotskyites. “Is it not natural that they should unite with the working class to destroy the capitalist system?”
The idea of an alliance with Islamists has even seduced the more traditional French Communist Party (PCF), which commissioned a study of the possibilities of electoral alliances with Muslim organizations. The Islamists, for their part, are attracted to the European hard Left because of its professed hatred of the United States and Israel.
“We say to anyone who hates the Americans and wants to throw the Jews out of Palestine: ahlan wa sahlan (welcome),” quipped Abu-Hamza al-Masri, the British Islamist firebrand. “The Prophet teaches that we could ally ourselves even with the atheists if it helps us destroy (the) enemy.”
The first to advocate a leftist-Islamist alliance against Western democracies was Ayman Al Zawahiri, al-Qaida’s number 2. In a message to al-Qaida sympathizers in Britain in August 2002, he urged them to seek allies among “any movement that opposes America, even atheists.”
The idea received support from Ilich Ramirez Sanchez, the Venezuelan terrorist known as Carlos the Jackal. In his book Revolutionary Islam, published in Paris last year, Carlos, who says he has converted to Islam, claims he has advised Osama bin Laden, the al-Qaida leader, to forge an alliance with “all guerrilla, terrorist, and other revolutionary groups throughout the world, regardless of their religious or ideological beliefs.”
Carlos said Islam is the only force capable of persuading large numbers of people to become “volunteers” for suicide attacks against the US. “Only a coalition of Marxists and Islamists can destroy the US,” he said
Now just let us see, what is happening right at our land, this South Asian region. We all know that, Marxism did spread in this region for years, particularly through the platform of democracy haters. They also have deep feelings against United States, the West and Israel. Anti-Semitic sentiment within these elements is no less. But for years, especially in India, which is considered to be the largest democracy in the world, leftists and Marxists were somehow pushed to a corner or disadvantageous position. If someone will visit India, it will be very prominently seen that Marxist government in West Bengal has already become a kind of sin for the people in this part of India, while most of the states are seeing lights of prosperity for past few decades. Although Indian administration were successful in cleansing Naxalite elements from West Bengal, it is unfortunately yet to succeed in defeating the leftists and Marxists, because, these elements have already established strong alliance with Islamists and are keeping strong grip on ballot through provocative anti-US, an-West and anti-Semitic slogans.
In neighboring Bangladesh too, leftists, atheists and Islamists have formed hidden or open alliance with the similar ideology and slogans. But the disadvantage there is, leftists and Communists have already penetrated in various important organs of the country, while radical Islamists have planted their own people in various strategic positions, including some of the Western missions in Dhaka. It was learnt few years back that, Islamists are already holding sensitive positions with US Embassy in Dhaka as well as other Western missions. And, such alliance of leftists, atheists and Islamists are causing a kind of either isolation or misconception on moderate Muslims, Islamic forces (not radicals) and pro-West minds in Bangladesh.
Take the case of Mr. Shahriar Kabir, who is well known Communist and hater of United States. To my knowledge, Kabir considers America as an imperial force and has written such thoughts in a number of articles and at least one of his books, which is regularly distributed right within United States amongst his contacts. He also has secret affiliation with Islamists. This was some how exposed when Awami League (one of the largest political parties in Bangladesh) signed a treaty with Bangladesh Khelafat Majlish for establishing Shariah law in the country if they would win the election in 2006. Major section of Bangladesh’s moderate Muslims including some of the political parties criticized this treaty while Communists like Shahriar Kabir were arguing to justify the ‘significance’ of such agreement. People like Kabir, although openly speak on various national and international issues; they maintain strange silence in saying anything about Saddam’s dictatorial role (rather they criticize United States and West for ousting Saddam). They even always bear extremely anti-Semitic notion as part of their anti-US and anti-Israel sentiment. These leftists or Communists or atheists strongly believe that Israel is the best ally of United States, and that is why, they always try to oppose both Israel and United States in various ways and means. And, of course, they have support from Islamist forces as their strong strategic partners.
http://www.globalpolitician.com/24384-leftist-atheist-islamist
But they do. You are an ignorant fool if you think the “vast majority” of terrorists are anything BUT motivated by Islam and the promise of paradise for destroying what they think of as “the enemies of Allah”.
All one must do is read the clear and unambiguous statement of these terrorist organizations.
They tell you what their goal is: An Islamic state.
They tell you what their motivation is: To kill the enemies of Islam.
The tell you what reward they think awaits them: Paradise with Allah.
Compared to the numerous quotes and references I have provided, all you have is one NPR NYTimes idiot, Pape, who is saying “what Islam? I don't see any Islam? Just a bunch of secularists screaming “Allah Ackbar” as they cut peoples heads off.”
Like I said, I have concluded that you are intellectually dishonest and morally ill-equipped to connect the materialist dots on topics ranging from Darwinism to the international terror network. Please waste someone else’s time from now on. I am done with you.
Not that this will do any good. Do with them what you will—GGG
Terrorists in Muslim Disguise
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1665681/posts
Dangerous liaisons: covert “love affair” between Russia and Hezbollah
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1555011/posts
The (Russian) Roots of Islamic Terrorism
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1666759/posts
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