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To: Brian S. Fitzgerald
I'm a partner at a half billion dollar convertible bond hedge fund. I'm a firm free market believer, I love Ayn Rand and the Austrian political economists. I have been living this crisis on the front lines.

I don't think people realize how close to the abyss we came on Wednesday and Thursday morning. Morgan Stanley and Goldman Sachs were about to fail. The credit markets were frozen. Other brokers and banks stopped taking assets. You couldn't move good securities from Morgan to another prime broker before it went bankrupt. There were no buyers and sellers were taking any price in the market. Money market funds were going to fail. I try to refrain from the breathless hyperbole that runs rampant in times like these, but I was truly fearful that the system was about to collapse.

Some may say that this is how the system cleanses itself and they may be right, but if everything is allowed to unwind in a haphazard way the results will affect every person in this country in a substantial way. You simply cannot take that much cash out of a leveraged economy all at once without serious consequences. Companies will not have cash to make payroll, factories will be shut down immediately, there will be no severance and no paycheck on no notice, credit cards will be cancelled, car loans and mortgages will cease to be available, home equity loans will be called in.

I'm not pretending to know what the answer is, but the problem is that serious.

26 posted on 09/21/2008 7:57:15 AM PDT by Lonely NY Conservative
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To: Lonely NY Conservative
"but I was truly fearful that the system was about to collapse."

and it probably will anyway!

All I know is the same crowd that brought us the problem is trying to come up with an imposed solution!

Illustrious Captains of Finance and Ivory tower economists? They are simply crooks!

Let's stop this thing before we have no legal recourse to stop it!

34 posted on 09/21/2008 8:03:52 AM PDT by Brian S. Fitzgerald
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To: Lonely NY Conservative

I believe you. I also think this is doomed to fail. It will only postpone the inevitable.


46 posted on 09/21/2008 8:17:11 AM PDT by PghBaldy (Obama: Terror Groups have "legitimate claims.")
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To: Lonely NY Conservative
Some may say that this is how the system cleanses itself and they may be right, but if everything is allowed to unwind in a haphazard way the results will affect every person in this country in a substantial way.

...which is why we shouldn't have been running the country the way it has been run for a long time.

52 posted on 09/21/2008 8:25:29 AM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: Lonely NY Conservative

Buckle your seat belt. This isn’t over. Monday should be a wild ride, much better than Six Flags.


53 posted on 09/21/2008 8:27:08 AM PDT by B4Ranch (I'd rather have a VP that can gut a Moose, than a President that want's to gut our Second Amendment!)
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To: Lonely NY Conservative

Gold told the truth on all of yas as it shot up 90 on Wednesday and more on Thursday. That was a serious vote of no confidence in the super leveraged, derivative-addicted, Wall St house of cards

Where did anyone get the idea that free markets and libertarianism means irresponsible pigs can pile derivative bets as high as the moon

You all are being called on that


58 posted on 09/21/2008 8:44:15 AM PDT by dennisw (Never bet on a false prophet! :::::|::::: Never bet on Islam!)
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To: Lonely NY Conservative

“I don’t think people realize how close to the abyss we came on Wednesday and Thursday morning. Morgan Stanley and Goldman Sachs were about to fail.”

The answer can’t be to give American taxpayer money to the worst money managers in the world.


70 posted on 09/21/2008 9:00:50 AM PDT by smallbiz (Palin/McCain... oops McCain/Palin)
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To: Lonely NY Conservative
You simply cannot take that much cash out of a leveraged economy all at once without serious consequences.

You just hit the nail on the head. Without trying to take this out on you personally, the problem is the "leveraged" economy. It is overleveraged, and unwinding it will cause a lot of pain and heartache and require monetization of enormous piles of debt.

In that process, I don't want the same folks who profitted from creating all this leverage in the first place to further come out on top of the pile when we inject the money to deleverage.

Some folks actually lead fiscally as well as financially conservative lives. They should not be punished for their prudence all the way around.

And if it mean punishing, confiscating the wealth of, or putting high taxes on those who profitted enormously from creating this mess, well that is what it will take.

76 posted on 09/21/2008 9:10:49 AM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: Lonely NY Conservative
I don't think people realize how close to the abyss we came on Wednesday and Thursday morning.

Just curious... how long ago did you realize that the credit market was out of whack?

82 posted on 09/21/2008 9:24:29 AM PDT by John123 (Obambi said that he has been in 57 states. I will now light myself on fire...)
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To: Lonely NY Conservative

Please continue posting on this. Your perspective is valuable and welcome.

BTW, are the junk and low grade bond markets in bad shape too? Will it be a ‘buying opportunity’ for these?

I ask because my shares in DYN Dynegy and some other leveraged energy companies took a shellacking. I heard that the spreads are pretty high.


101 posted on 09/21/2008 10:47:58 AM PDT by WOSG (Change America needs: Dump the Pelosi Democrat Congress!!!)
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To: Lonely NY Conservative

Thanks for your post. It helps put some needed perspective on the chaos.

If I may ask I’d like your opinion on where a person invests his cash at a time like this.


106 posted on 09/21/2008 11:12:19 AM PDT by freespirited
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To: Lonely NY Conservative

Well where do the $1,000,000,000,000 dollars go? How can companies lose one TRILLION dollars, or get that far in debt?


112 posted on 09/21/2008 11:29:36 AM PDT by Bryan24 (When in doubt, move to the right..........)
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To: Lonely NY Conservative
Good post - thanks.
117 posted on 09/21/2008 11:49:54 AM PDT by ThePythonicCow (By their false faith in Man as God, the left would destroy us. They call this faith change.)
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To: Lonely NY Conservative

Who actually owns our national debt? Could foreign investors come in and buy us out, and if so, what influence would they have over us politically?


123 posted on 09/21/2008 1:03:39 PM PDT by huldah1776 ( Worthy is the Lamb)
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To: Lonely NY Conservative

You are spot on. If this deal isn’t in place by tomorrow morning we will likely see some rough sailing in the markets this week. I fear the Congress isn’t smart enough to understand the risk of market collapse. Brinkmanship!


127 posted on 09/21/2008 2:34:40 PM PDT by April Lexington
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To: Lonely NY Conservative

bttt


135 posted on 09/21/2008 8:27:58 PM PDT by Pagey (Sarah Palin has Mayoral AND Governors' Experience---B. Hussein Obama has NEITHER!!!!! LOLOL)
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To: Lonely NY Conservative
I'm not pretending to know what the answer is, but the problem is that serious.

Thank you for your insightful post. Would you agree that the unwinding of the derivatives market would cause a global depression? What do you think the odds are of this happening?

136 posted on 09/21/2008 9:42:33 PM PDT by politicket (Palin-tology: (n) - The science of kicking Barack Obambi's butt!)
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