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SHORT SHRIFT: CRITICS (BLAST SEC TRADING BAN)
NY Post ^ | 09/20/08 | KAJA WHITEHOUSE

Posted on 09/20/2008 2:50:01 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster

SHORT SHRIFT: CRITICS

BLAST SEC TRADING BAN

By KAJA WHITEHOUSE

Posted: 3:26 am September 20, 2008

The Securities and Exchange Commission's temporary ban on short-selling took down the good with the bad.

Several groups yesterday said they took a beating as a result of the ban, which forbids short-selling of 799 financial stocks. Among those sideswiped by the ban were hedge funds and traders who legally shorted financial stocks, as well as businesses that deal in so-called stock options, that saw trading dry up yesterday as a result of the SEC rule.

Prices were so out of control yesterday that the major stock exchanges, including the New York Stock Exchange, were forced to cancel trades for dozens of stocks conducted in the first hour of trading.

Brokerage firms were also "busting" trades that rose so high they caused an uproar from angry customers, people said.

"We protected the big bankers in New York, but the retail investor is once again bearing the brunt of it," said Peter Bottini, head of trading and customer service for online brokerage firm optionsXpress.

Stocks rallied yesterday, but beneath the euphoria of the government's ban and plans to purge banks of toxic mortgage holdings was a good degree of panic from people who say they were martyred to prop up big Wall Street firms.

The ban also pushed aside a key group, known as market makers, that normally provide liquidity to the market by stepping in when a buyer can't find a seller or vice versa.

Also pulling out of trading in financial stocks were people who trade using complex computer models. These traders, which include big hedge funds like AQR and Jim Simon's Renaissance Technologies, normally provide liquidity through rapid-fire trading.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: economicpolicy; govwatch; hedgefunds; sec; short; shortselling; sideeffect; stockmarket
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1 posted on 09/20/2008 2:50:01 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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To: TigerLikesRooster; Uncle Ike; RSmithOpt; jiggyboy; 2banana; Travis McGee; OwenKellogg; 31R1O; ...

Ping!


2 posted on 09/20/2008 2:52:48 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster (kim jong-il, chia head, ppogri, In Grim Reaper we trust)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Time to go long on metals I guess?


3 posted on 09/20/2008 2:56:30 AM PDT by ovrtaxt ( One useless man is a shame, two is a law firm, and three or more is a Congress. --John Adams)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
Sounds to me like it put handcuffs on exactly who they planned it to. BTW I would like this author to explain to me how short selling a security provides liquidity to the market?
4 posted on 09/20/2008 3:09:44 AM PDT by Woodman ("One of the most striking differences between a cat and a lie is that a cat has only nine lives." PW)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Capitalism is on life support and the Fed is about to pull the plug.


5 posted on 09/20/2008 3:10:30 AM PDT by trumandogz
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To: Woodman
Sounds to me like it put handcuffs on exactly who they planned it to. BTW I would like this author to explain to me how short selling a security provides liquidity to the market?

Soros supposedly made his gazillions shorting currency and bringing whole nations to ruin. These crooks deserve absolutely no mercy.

By their reasoning, I could pretend to buy all my neighbor's homes (none of which I own) at deflated prices, use that information to drive down the market prices to what I've pretended to offer, then resell the option to buy them at real market prices, all without ever having purchased or taken possession of the homes. Oh, and use Other People's Money for the gamble, just in case anything goes wrong with the deals.

6 posted on 09/20/2008 3:23:55 AM PDT by meadsjn (Socialists promote neighbors selling out their neighbors; Free Traitors promote just the opposite.)
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To: trumandogz
Capitalism is on life support and the Fed is about to pull the plug.

Who gives a darn about "Capitalism" it is just a Marxist term. We need Free Enterprise. Right now Government Regulated Enterprise is on life support and the solution is more regulations. The regulations focus on preventing the market from fairly pricing what is for sale.

7 posted on 09/20/2008 3:26:57 AM PDT by Mark was here (The earth is bipolar.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
"..Several groups yesterday said they took a beating as a result of the ban, which forbids short-selling of 799 financial stocks..."

Life is hard.

8 posted on 09/20/2008 3:43:42 AM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: TigerLikesRooster

I’m curious as to the opinions of FReepers who actually know something about this subject—are you for or against the hold on short-selling?


9 posted on 09/20/2008 3:49:48 AM PDT by Darkwolf377
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Essentially what hey have done is placed Market Controls into the stock market, a market that should be free government meddling and price controls. The big picture function of shorting is to stabilize prices that may otherwise fluctuate greatly leading to market destabilization.

Now, what will happen is that when the ban on short selling is lifted that those 799 names are going to crash.

In other words, major players in a Republican Administration has just killed the Free Market.

And the irony is that the Chi-Coms are loaning money to the Fed to Nationalize Industry.


10 posted on 09/20/2008 4:28:02 AM PDT by trumandogz
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To: trumandogz

Thanks for your response, I’m trying to figure out why some conservatives seem very high on this and others are condemning it.


11 posted on 09/20/2008 4:30:04 AM PDT by Darkwolf377
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My guess is that if a Democratic Administration had Nationalized a major corporation, bailed out Wall Street Houses and placed restrictions on the Stock Market that those “conservatives” would be screaming bloody murder.


12 posted on 09/20/2008 4:37:01 AM PDT by trumandogz
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To: Darkwolf377

I am against the ban on short selling. I am against naked short selling though. I don’t see how the latter is any different than the Fed just printing money willy nilly... oh... never mind.


13 posted on 09/20/2008 4:57:12 AM PDT by steveyp
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I don’t see how the latter is any different than the Fed just printing money willy nilly...

Could you explain that comment? Trying to educate myself here. Thanks in advance.

14 posted on 09/20/2008 4:59:19 AM PDT by Darkwolf377 (Liberals hate you)
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To: Darkwolf377

A typical short sell is akin to a covered position. You through your broker have access to shares of a stock owned in someone elses portfolio. You sell the shares of stock you don’t own by borrowing them. You owe the person you borrowed them from any dividend payments made during the period you are shorting them.

If the stock price goes down, you buy at the lower price and repay the number of shares you borrowed and pocket the difference in shares you didn’t have to pay back. If the price goes the other direction you can get what is called a margin call that would require you to put up cash or equity to cover the amount your short.

A naked short is you or your broker don’t own the shares to sell. You’ve just printed some shares of stock to sell like the fed printing money willy nilly.


15 posted on 09/20/2008 5:34:41 AM PDT by steveyp
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To: steveyp

Thanks, excellent explanation.


16 posted on 09/20/2008 5:37:12 AM PDT by Darkwolf377 (Liberals hate you)
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To: Darkwolf377
I’m curious as to the opinions of FReepers who actually know something about this subject—are you for or against the hold on short-selling?

Short selling has been an accepted practice for hundreds of years! That said, in this age of worldwide instant communication and investment, it is entirely possible to utterly destroy ANY company OR NATION through the practice!

Just read about George Soros and the Bank of England!

All it takes is the accumulation or control of massive amounts of capital, widespread dissemination of rumors concerning the imminent financial collapse of a company or nation, and computer based short selling of the financial instruments which support the target entity!

No rational person who actually believes in free enterprise should be willing to see their belief sustained to the point of financial suicide!

In this age of fiat currency and unlimited currency creation, totally unfettered financial transactions can readily precipitate the total collapse of an economy!

Even with the "Ban" on short-selling of the stock of 799 financial firms, it will continue to occur (just not in the huge fashion of the past few days).

Hopefully, the outright ban on short-selling will be lifted soon because, the ban itself is already having consequences which adversely impact otherwise beneficial financial transactions.

17 posted on 09/20/2008 5:40:50 AM PDT by ExSES (the "bottom-line")
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To: Darkwolf377
I’m curious as to the opinions of FReepers who actually know something about this subject—are you for or against the hold on short-selling?

Short selling has been an accepted practice for hundreds of years! That said, in this age of worldwide instant communication and investment, it is entirely possible to utterly destroy ANY company OR NATION through the practice!

Just read about George Soros and the Bank of England!

All it takes is the accumulation or control of massive amounts of capital, widespread dissemination of rumors concerning the imminent financial collapse of a company or nation, and computer based short selling of the financial instruments which support the target entity!

No rational person who actually believes in free enterprise should be willing to see their belief sustained to the point of financial suicide!

In this age of fiat currency and unlimited currency creation, totally unfettered financial transactions can readily precipitate the total collapse of an economy!

Even with the "Ban" on short-selling of the stock of 799 financial firms, it will continue to occur (just not in the huge fashion of the past few days).

Hopefully, the outright ban on short-selling will be lifted soon because, the ban itself is already having consequences which adversely impact otherwise beneficial financial transactions.

18 posted on 09/20/2008 5:41:00 AM PDT by ExSES (the "bottom-line")
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To: meadsjn

If every hedge fund went bust tomorrow I would have zero sympathy. They have distorted the markets. They have been clever enough to hire libertarian stooges to shill for them. Kudlow is an unpaid stooge. He provides the ideology to justify the rape of our financial markets


19 posted on 09/20/2008 6:19:50 AM PDT by dennisw (Never bet on a false prophet! :::::|::::: Never bet on Islam!)
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To: Darkwolf377
I’m curious as to the opinions of FReepers who actually know something about this subject—are you for or against the hold on short-selling?

Fine for the short term and ban naked shorting for good
This ban would not have been instituted unless matters got really realy bad, and they did

Hank Paulson and everyone else was very spooked when gold zoomed 13% in one day and MM funds were suffering huge redemptions

20 posted on 09/20/2008 6:23:55 AM PDT by dennisw (Never bet on a false prophet! :::::|::::: Never bet on Islam!)
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