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Report: US helicopters fired on while crossing Pakistani border
Long War Journal ^ | 9/15/08 | Bill Roggio

Posted on 09/15/2008 7:25:53 AM PDT by Straight Vermonter

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1 posted on 09/15/2008 7:25:54 AM PDT by Straight Vermonter
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To: Cap Huff; Dog; Ernest_at_the_Beach; AdmSmith

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2 posted on 09/15/2008 7:26:39 AM PDT by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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To: Straight Vermonter

IF this is accurate, it sounds like Musharraf’s departure has let control of the military slide into more adversarial forces.

Why on earth did the US ever publicly support his ouster?


3 posted on 09/15/2008 7:29:31 AM PDT by WoofDog123
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I think they acknowledge a fait accompli.


4 posted on 09/15/2008 7:31:01 AM PDT by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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To: WoofDog123
Why on earth did the US ever publicly support his ouster?

No kidding. At least Musharraf was somewhat sympathetic to our goals. With him gone, we now have another rogue Islamic state to deal with... except this one has nukes.

Smart thinking indeed.

5 posted on 09/15/2008 7:31:29 AM PDT by pnh102 (Save America - Ban Ethanol Now!)
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They should be enforcing their borders...

but if they are going to tolerate Taliban and AQ inside their territory then perhaps is is time to tell the government that they get no more US money, they get no more equipment and their people can forget getting Visas to the US. Oh, and any support for elements that attack our forces or conduct terrorism against us means your military and infrastructure is now fair game.


6 posted on 09/15/2008 7:32:53 AM PDT by misterrob (Obama-Keep the Change!)
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To: WoofDog123
Why on earth did the US ever publicly support his ouster?

Because we have learned NOTHING from the 1979 debacle in Iran.

7 posted on 09/15/2008 7:35:33 AM PDT by SolidWood (McCain/Palin 2008)
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A US military incursion into the Taliban-controlled tribal agency of South Waziristan was aborted after Pakistani troops opened fire on the force, reports from Pakistan indicate.

Sounds like it's time to start shooting anything that moves up in that area.

8 posted on 09/15/2008 7:37:25 AM PDT by Centurion2000 (McCain/Palin 2008 : Palin the Paladin 2012)
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To: Straight Vermonter

Alrighty then. Time to push the Afghan border to the east a little bit.

9 posted on 09/15/2008 7:37:38 AM PDT by DogBarkTree (That sharp pain to the LibRat's groin is called the Palin Effect.)
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.....I think they acknowledge a fait accompli....

The actual events take place in an area so remote that the truth of the matter is nearly impossible to determine.

One thing is certain, W delivered a message and it was received at least by the Pakis.


10 posted on 09/15/2008 7:40:08 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Conservation? Let the NE Yankees freeze.... in the dark)
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Too bad this wasn’t done 6 1/2 years ago.


11 posted on 09/15/2008 7:44:17 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: misterrob
and any support for elements that attack our forces or conduct terrorism against us means your military and infrastructure is now fair game.

DING! DING! DING!

NO MORE CALLS PLEASE. WE HAVE A WINNER!!!!!

12 posted on 09/15/2008 7:44:26 AM PDT by Pistolshot (Palin has run a state, city, and a business. NObama has only run his mouth.)
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This whole U.S. unauthorized incursion into Pakistan just doesn't add up to me.

First, there is the real Pakistan dependence on American military aid and technical and logistic support for their fleet of F-16's. They really cannot afford to get us really mad at them without the risk of that aid and support disappearing. OTOH, there is the political environment in Pakistan which certainly has a large pro-Taliban, pro-Al-Qaeda, anti-American element. This would lead one to speculate that the Pakistani's have given Bush an OK privately that they are politically unable to give him publicly. Until we actually see some real damage done to American forces by the Pakistani military that are confirmed by the U.S. I will subscribe to that theory.

But there is the wild card factor of Bush wanting to get Bin Laden before he leaves office. Could we just be seeing a personal vendetta combined with pretty good intelligence on the whereabouts of Bin Laden combining to yield a pull-out-the-stops effort to take down the Al-Qaeda leadership. And this with or without the OK from Pakistan. I would give this theory some credibility as well.

13 posted on 09/15/2008 7:48:47 AM PDT by InterceptPoint
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They should be enforcing their borders...

I cannot support our going into Paki. No reason to expand the war. I have supported Bush up to now. I want our troops home as soon as possible.


14 posted on 09/15/2008 7:52:54 AM PDT by Chickensoup ('08 VOTING for the SUPREME COURT that will be BEST for my FAMILY and voting for SARAH PALIN!!!)
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we should send some attack choppers into our State Department

I wish we could elect someone with enough stones to go in and clean house

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15 posted on 09/15/2008 7:53:24 AM PDT by Elle Bee
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we should send some attack choppers into our State Department

I wish we could elect someone with enough stones to go in and clean house

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16 posted on 09/15/2008 7:53:39 AM PDT by Elle Bee
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I want our troops home as soon as possible.

I want them home as soon as possible, after victory. There is no sense in bringing them home, so the terrorists win, and we can go back there in two years again...

Finish the business. We didn't stop at the Rhine or Midway either...

17 posted on 09/15/2008 8:13:12 AM PDT by SolidWood (McCain/Palin 2008)
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Never forget the 3 US SEnators (Biden, Kerry, Hagel) who traveled to Pakistan to berate Musharef and supported bringing Bhutto back to Pakistan...just like Jimmy Carter did to the Shah of Iran.
the idiot US State Dept also supported this...now we have a hostile government in nuclear Pakistan. The Voters need to know the source of our problems on this!


18 posted on 09/15/2008 8:22:50 AM PDT by iopscusa (El Vaquero. (SC Lowcountry Cowboy))
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To: WoofDog123
Why on earth did the US ever publicly support his ouster?

Because Condoleezza Rice is a quota hire who is in way, way, way over her head.

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19 posted on 09/15/2008 8:34:59 AM PDT by KayEyeDoubleDee (const Tag &referenceToConstTag)
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The new president is just as sympathetic to our security as Musharraf was. Except this time we might get what we pay for. Instead of giving Pakistan 10 billion a year to let AQ set up in the tribal areas, we might just get the green light to go after them


20 posted on 09/15/2008 8:42:25 AM PDT by buckeye12
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