Posted on 09/11/2008 9:55:10 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
Sept 10, 2008 — Astrobiologist David Deamer believes that life can spontaneously emerge without design, but he thinks lay people are too uneducated to understand how this is possible, so he gives them the watered-down version of Darwin’s natural selection instead, which he knows is inadequate to explain the complexity of life. That’s what he seemed to be telling reporter Susan Mazur in an interview for the Scoop (New Zealand). Is the lay public really too dense for the deeper knowledge of how evolution works?...
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Theological doctines of creation are objectively dogma, and I'll challenge you to show me any authoritative source that says otherwise.
Godless lunatic liberals have always seen themselves as intellectual giants, too self-absorbed to notice everyone else realizes the joke is on them.
If that's the world you want to live in, you can do that. You can't demand that the rest of us join you if you aren't prepared to deal with the consequences.
Well, that line of irrationality works peachy for the self-deluded, meanwhile for those of us who are sane I guess we’re just supposed to either ignore that or aren’t “smart enough” to recognize their “nuances”?
I'm not quite sure what you're driving at, but thankfully I believe I'm well prepared to deal with the consequences no matter what they are.
I used your post as a foil..
The geologists tell us that site is a lava field from a super volcano that's been extinct for millions of years, and based on that information they say it has a long history of geologic stability and is a prime candidate for that purpose.
If the YEC assesment that the Earth is only 6,000 years old is correct, then everything they based their assesment on is wrong. Where does your Bible tell you we should build that storage facility? Do you really have any answers, or just complaints that everyone else's are wrong?
It really makes no difference whether mutations are REALLY random or just seemingly random. They supply the stock of variations, and the range of observed variations covers the gamut of possible alleles. This is an observation based on numerous experiments.
It makes no difference whether some invisible entity is shading the dice. The results are indistinguishable from random.
What isn't random is the effect that alleles have on individuals and their reproductive success.
So it's OK for an evo to put the explanation for how we got here in lay people's terms, even when he knows is inadepuate, but if God puts it in lay people's terms in the Bible, then it can be mocked and derided for *scientific inaccuracy*, and stated that it's wrong.
Hmmm, double standard anyone?
Is the lay public really too dense for the deeper knowledge of how evolution works?.
Of course not, but the self-appointed elite will never acknowledge that. Thinking that they're intellectually superior than the unwashed masses strokes their egos too much and gives them too much justification (so they think) to force their ideology down everybody's throats through litigation.
I'm an old earth creationist. I believe the bible teaches that the earth and universe existed long before Adam and Eve were created and that it became corrupted and destroyed by the rebellion of Satan and his demons. I believe that the events in Genesis happened in a literal 7 days approximately 6000 years ago and were a creation of a fallen world.
So I don't think it would be a problem to store nuclear waste in a Yucca Mountain facility. The sooner the better.
So it’s OK not to believe in the literal account of the creation of the Earth, but it’s not OK to not beilieve in the literal account of the creation of Adam and Eve?
Yes, it says so in his word, more than 100 times.
That's some pretty confusing wording. I believe in what the bible says literally. When the Hebrew wording is analyzed and when the all of the other relevant scriptures are brought to bear than I believe the bible teaches that the heavens and earth were created, then became chaos and void, and then recreated 6000 years ago or so when man, Adam and Eve, were created.
Some of course are going to disagree, but I think this is the literal view of the bible teaching.
Then I guess we're sort of at an impasse here. We'll never be able to find common ground on this subject since we're coming at if from two different, incompatible viewpoints.
This is where it all breaks down. You'll tell me your interpretation is "truth", they'll say their interpretaion is "truth", and nobody's got any evidence in support of either one.
They can't both be the truth. Somebody's going to get their feelings hurt, but you can't aruge with either one without them claiming you're violating their rights or being accused of being and atheist, hating God, or wanting to destroy Christianity.
It really isn’t that complicated. I learned a long time ago that even rocket science aint rocket science.
There are not that many people that are significantly smarter than everyone else. And besides, that comes in handiest when coming up with original ideas. These ideas are easily explained to “normal intelligence” human beings, assuming the facts are there. So often, though, these “facts” do not hold up to the light of day.
That is the real problem. And no “for dummies” book is gonna help.
It's not the first time, and probably won't be the last that science has "trespassed into the realm of dogma". Are you submitting the it should not be allowed to, and how do you propose to stop it?
Yes, exactly correct. Given a large enough population size and enough generations EVERY possible single nucleotide polymorphism (single DNA base change) will be generated by mutation and selected for or against by the environment. In that context the term “random” loses its meaning.
It is like trying to pick a combination lock by going through every possible combination. The success of this endeavor is guaranteed, it just takes a bit of trial and error and time. The eventual success of this tactic is not in any way “random”.
Boy, you sure are obsessed with that topic.
You seem to bring it up on any unrelated thread.
Isn’t that called thread hopping?
With those interests, are you sure FR is the place for you?
(Courtesy ping to GGG to let him know he’s being talked about by someone even though someone deliberately removed his name from the *To:* field in a previous post)
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