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Wife, kids in home as resident kills intruder
sacbee.com ^ | 9 September, 2008 | M.S. Enkoji and Stan Oklobdzija

Posted on 09/11/2008 4:26:49 AM PDT by marktwain

A North Sacramento man shot and killed an armed intruder early Tuesday as his pregnant wife and children awoke in terror from the attack. The man, whom police did not identify, told police that two men had tried to break into his home just after midnight in the 800 block of Carmelita Avenue off Rio Linda Boulevard.

The resident, who had no telephone, pleaded with neighbors to alert police after the shooting, neighbors said. A neighbor who provided refuge for the resident and his family after the attack recounted what the man told him. The resident heard scuffling and banging on his door, said Robert Jerome, the neighbor. Looking through a peephole, the resident saw a man holding a .22 caliber pump-action rifle, Jerome said. By the time the man got his shotgun, the intruders had partially opened the door, the resident told Jerome and police.

The resident fired once through the gap in the doorway, striking a 19-year-old Sacramento man, police said. The other suspect or suspects fled, but the 19-year-old, dropped the gun from his hand, staggered into the cul de sac before collapsing dead, the resident told the neighbor and police.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: bang; banglist; caarmedcitizen; defense; home; sacramento
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To: Gilbo_3; hiredhand

The last mentality I will ever fully understand is that of a burglar or a drug addict.


21 posted on 09/11/2008 9:14:32 AM PDT by B4Ranch ("Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you"--John Steinbeck)
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To: ridesthemiles

I don’t. My husband and I exclusively use cell phones. (besides, I can’t get the dogs to answer the phone when we’re not home.) :)


22 posted on 09/11/2008 9:29:20 AM PDT by GWMcClintock (Right after Lib Democrats, the most dangerous politicians are country club Republicans. T. Sowell)
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To: B4Ranch; Gilbo_3
The last mentality I will ever fully understand is that of a burglar or a drug addict.

I can "understand"...as far as understanding goes. But it's effectively an issue of conciously making a decision NOT to do these things. Thieves and drug addicts have rationalized it into acceptance and have their priorities very much out of order.

I believe that we all have it in us to sink to these depths, except for godly principles including honor, integrity, trustworthiness, bravery, charity, patriotisim, and honesty. The left has no true understanding of these things. ...irrespective of how they redifine them to suit themselves, or argue with us otherwise.
23 posted on 09/11/2008 9:46:45 AM PDT by hiredhand
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To: hiredhand

I was taught at a very early age that I had to work to get what I wanted. The simple stuff.
Make your bed when you get out of it and you can ride your bike today. Want a TV in your room, earn it by cutting lawns and washing cars because one sure isn’t going to appear out of the air. That’s what taught me to read the classifieds for the used stuff. LOL


24 posted on 09/11/2008 10:13:39 AM PDT by B4Ranch ("Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you"--John Steinbeck)
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To: B4Ranch
I hear ya! When I was growing up, if it was summer, we were cutting grass! If it was fall, we were raking leaves! If it was winter, we were shovelling snow! If we wanted something, we worked hard, saved our money and eventually bought what we wanted! My dad left us when me and two siblings were pre-teens and mom worked two jobs to keep us in clothes, fed, and under roof. Welfare moms were an affront to her and she could really care less (as do we) whether they live or die.... but with the government taking money from us and simply handing it over to them, I don't think they'll starve any time soon. Besides that, have seen a skinny welfare queen lately? :-) NOT!
25 posted on 09/11/2008 10:28:06 AM PDT by hiredhand
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To: hiredhand; B4Ranch
I understand the 'I dont get it' that Mrs g also has, even though she lived thru it and has heard many many personal accounts firsthand...

I wish I could explain it better, but the fact is that its not 'sin', it is physical,spritual and mental sickness...

another mail forthcoming...

26 posted on 09/11/2008 10:50:53 AM PDT by Gilbo_3 ("JesusChrist 08"...Trust in the Lord......=...LiveFReeOr Die...)
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To: DaveLoneRanger

Armed citizen ping...


27 posted on 09/11/2008 7:27:41 PM PDT by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: marktwain; writer33; DaveLoneRanger
A North Sacramento man shot and killed an armed intruder early Tuesday as his pregnant wife and children awoke in terror from the attack. The man, whom police did not identify, told police that two men had tried to break into his home just after midnight in the 800 block of Carmelita Avenue off Rio Linda Boulevard.

Rush would have been proud to know you can't make these stories up!
30 posted on 09/11/2008 9:31:18 PM PDT by Issaquahking (SARAH_CUDA is home!!!)
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To: Recon Dad
There are some benefits in using a Shotgun over a pistol, much more room for error.

If you are referring to pattern spread: Not ... at ... close ... range.

31 posted on 09/11/2008 9:33:46 PM PDT by Cobra64 (www.BulletBras.net)
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To: samtheman
To be perfectly safe (legally), would this shooter have been better off waiting a few more seconds until the intruders were all the way in the front door?

Waiting in ambush? Premeditateidley (is that a word?) /s. Every one should learn the laws of their state on self defence, they vary wildly. Prosecutions vary by county as well. I'm sure some one will suggest a website if they haven't already. In life or death I'll choose my life and his death at 100 yards if I feel justifiably threatened.

32 posted on 09/11/2008 10:01:28 PM PDT by Dosa26
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To: samtheman
But in today’s political climate, should we be thinking of the legalities if we are ever in this unfortunate position?

In CA and liberal east coast states it's probably better from a legal point of view to wait until the perps are inside the house before firing on them, but it's still better to be tried by 12 than carried by 6 even in those liberal hellholes.

Here in GA we have a Castle Doctrine law now that allows the use of deadly force to stop an intruder before he gets into your home if you have reason to believe that he intends to harm you or anyone in your house. And furthermore, he can't sue you if you injure him, nor can his family sue you if he dies. A very good law IMHO.

33 posted on 09/11/2008 10:31:52 PM PDT by epow ("Patriotic dissent is a luxury of those protected by better men than they.", Col. Jeff Cooper USMC)
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To: hiredhand

I live in Oakland, CA and every day I go to the Safeway, I see welfare mothers and families with children paying wiht food stamps. I do not fault them for feeding their children, but when did it become OK to have society pay for your irresponsible sex life?

Who pays for their HUD Section 8 voucher, who paid for the pre-natal care, the delivery, the ongoing healthcare of the baby and mom? Who pays for the mother’s SSI? Who pays for the baby’s daycare? Who pays for the mother’s tuition and books? Who pays for the baby’s schooling? Who pays for when he commits a crime and is in jail at 15?

You and me.

The odd part is that Government does not address this.


34 posted on 09/11/2008 10:48:12 PM PDT by wac3rd (Carter80/Obama08)
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To: Recon Dad
There are some benefits in using a Shotgun over a pistol, much more room for error.

IF you are referring to the need for precise shot placement as opposed to using a pistol of any caliber, I think you are 100% correct as long as the hit you land with the shottie is still within 12 inches of the torso of the perp. What I'm trying to say here is that a poorly placed shot with a 12 ga is probably better than a marginal center of mass hit with any caliber handgun, as long as the shottie hits within 12 inches of the torso anywhere on the target. So a shotgun wound inside the upper thigh trumps a belly wound with a 45 ACP.... period.

35 posted on 09/12/2008 3:09:42 AM PDT by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: samtheman
"To be perfectly safe (legally), would this shooter have been better off waiting a few more seconds until the intruders were all the way in the front door?"

The intruder was armed. The fact they forced the door open showed intent. That'd have been enough for me to resort to the same end.

36 posted on 09/12/2008 3:28:49 AM PDT by azhenfud (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: Gilbo_3

Once a shot is fired, especially if not by one of the perps, the almost universal tendency is for the other perps to run. They are not in it to prove their skill with guns or their courage in the face of gunfire. They are there to grab some goodies and run. Even if they have come on a mission of murder, if the target gets off the first or even the second shot the perps will run. They are there to kill not to take a chance on being killed. Being shot at utterly changes the mental equation. He/they do not expect that or they would choose a different target.


37 posted on 09/12/2008 5:08:00 AM PDT by arthurus (Old age and guile beats youth and enthusiasm.)
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To: arthurus

Good point.


38 posted on 09/12/2008 5:14:05 AM PDT by Dante3
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To: DaveLoneRanger
There have always been lots of guns in Kalifornia. Using them for self defense is problematic.
39 posted on 09/12/2008 6:13:03 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Constantly choosing the lesser of two evils is still choosing evil.)
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To: arthurus
Once a shot is fired, especially if not by one of the perps, the almost universal tendency is for the other perps to run. They are not in it to prove their skill with guns or their courage in the face of gunfire. They are there to grab some goodies and run. Even if they have come on a mission of murder, if the target gets off the first or even the second shot the perps will run. They are there to kill not to take a chance on being killed. Being shot at utterly changes the mental equation. He/they do not expect that or they would choose a different target.

That was the old paradigm. The new paradigm is for thugs to volunteer for military service and then volunteer for combat duty. They'll behave themselves while in the military in order to get the all important training and more important on the job experience so they can return to the 'hood and teach it to their homies or worse form squads of combat experienced thugs to prey upon their victims. So far this has become a real issue in California and New Jersey IIRC. I've even seen some FR threads on the phenomena. You cap a round at a group like this and one or two will return fire to fix your position while the rest flank you and take you out. There was a shooting at a gas station in California about 18 months ago that reported this exact tactic when the police responded to the silent alarm of a robbery in progress. The first pair of responding officers was killed in exactly this manner.

40 posted on 09/12/2008 6:24:46 AM PDT by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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