Posted on 09/10/2008 4:13:35 AM PDT by watsonfellow
This is awesome! Talk about rapid response!
I agree with that...it's a gotcha game.
maybe zero is using lipstick to help cover his muslim faith...
And the Ayers and the Rev Wright scandals...And the brutal sexism tainted attacks of the Dem party toward Gov. Palin and....you name it.
Talk about upside-down spinning. You're telling us that the comment was to show that "...she's done nothing, has nothing, is all show and just a pretty face" and that of all the animals picked to depict "just a pretty face," he chose "pig" because his friend, Kermy the Frog thinks pigs are "hot."
Just wow.
The crowd cheered because the heard the “brand” as you called it being used against the republicans.. just as Republican crowds have cheered when they heard the line “change is not a destination and hope is not a strategy”.
I can't even guess what you're saying here. Try again. But this time as you say it, keep in mind that it wasn't even only a "cheer" but a "standing ovation." So keep in mind that whatever the "output" was -- whatever the crowd heard -- it would have been so energetic that it got the Democratic crowd to give him a standing ovation.
(A tough spin assignment I know...but if you want that PR degree, you'll muddle thru it.)
look, I’ve posted pleanty here, go back and read them, I’ve directly quoted the line in context and the lines leading up to it, there is no way you conclude the “pig” in the cliche is Palin, none. Now it was incredibly STUPID thing for Fauxbama to say because it can so easily be quoted out of context and have that implied, and that’s going to cost him at least 1 to 2 news cycles “explaining” himself, which he can ill afford.
This incident shows Fauxbamas stupidity, not his sexism.
Could be. I guess if depends upon which part of the audience each gaffe hits hardest.
2 words... Shove off
You would mean to tell us that had he instead said: "A new saddle on an old mare pretending to be a maverick is still an old mare" would in no way be an "age-ism" comment geared directly at his opponent...but would simply be a common phrase about "old mares" and would only be a poorly chosen policy metaphor but would not be reflective of his opponent's age or even directly his opponent...that any reference about "maverick" would be coincidentally "stupid" as you say but nevertheless "stupid?" (You're going to stick by that?)
I agree with you. It gets some people angry. Someone pointed out though that maybe the McCain campaign is doing this on purpose to expose how stupid Obama is. The McCain camp did take the quote out of context. This is good for people to see how Obama reacts under pressure. Do you think that Russia is going to always play fair? We need a smart President, not an affirmative action one who is stupid. There is always a different way to look at something. But I don’t like it when some people around here act stupid and refuse to see the truth. I am not going to play stupid just so I don’t get told off.
I stick by what I have said, not what you choose to spin it as. Fauxbama clearly set up the contradiction as a shot at the McCain campaign and George Bush, as his entire strategy is to paint McCain as Bush and then try to turn the election into a referendum on BUSH.
There is no doubt he chose the lipstick line due to Palin’s speech, but there is no way you can read the transcript or watch what he said and claim that the “pig” part of it was a direct shot at Palin.
It was an incredibly stupid thing for him to do, because it allows talking heads, and surrogates to portray what he said as that because the sound bite is so easily ripped, but that’s not what he said.
THere are indeed plenty of bloggers and leftist who have said the same thing implying that Palin is the pig, but what Fauxbama said was not that.
Oh there is no doubt Fauxbama is incredibly stupid, especially for the supposedly “thinking” candidate.
He’s utterly foolish, childish, idiotic and shows it regularly. He’s out there in not so many words still making the same old “nuances are important” arguments, when the core issues are rather black and white. He’s nuanced himself in a non winnable position on Iraq, still to this day after finally admitting the surge has been successful, arguing that it still wasn’t the right thing... etc etc.
I personally just don’t see the need for the McCain campaign to have directly responded to this fiasco.. I think Palin’s response was the correct... “I can’t be offended, its too stupid to be offended by, I can’t believe anyone was so stupid.” (Paraphrased) and thats enough. The talk show hosts and pundents will run with the quote, the campaign itself didn’t have to say anything more than Sarah said to it.
Fauxbama is running a losing and loser campaign, hes out there talking to the converted and openly mocking anyone who doesn’t agree with him, this is fine in a primary fight where you can get there with just the leftist core, but you can’t win a general acting and campaigning like he has.
The facts as I see them is Fauxbama thought he could be cute and get the evening news soundbite by this thing, and in stead has just guaranteed himself another news cycle or two at least where he will be doing nothing but justifying and explaining a comment that any smart candidate would have never made.
If one concedes that the lipstick was a reference to Palin, one has to concede that the pig wearing the lipstick is also a reference to her.
Which is why the crowd roared and jumped to its feet.
That seems to me to be a bit of a stretch.
But even if you are correct, surely you would agree that Obama cannot be surprised that others see the association with Palin. His audience did. And I think the majority of those who looked at the video did so as well. So I find it hard to believe that Obama didn't see the issue coming.
My personal view is that this was not an off the cuff remark. There is another thread here on FR that has a political cartoon from a week or so ago that is exactly the narrative that Obama is giving on the video clip. So he memorized the content of the cartoon and then gave it. His goal was to get McCain talking about the issues and not about qualifications (where he loses big time to both McCain and Palin) and to get his base pumped up. I don't think he will succeed but that was clearly the plan. And in doing so he must have realized that the pig comment would be associated with Palin - even if it was an indirect reference as you noted. I think he a took a big risk and I think it will hurt him more than it will help him but his handlers clearly believe they need to get him off the dime.
No one does not.
Lipstick on a pig is a phrase that means you can’t take something ugly try to dress it up and pretend its not ugly.
Fauxbama and the full text is here and out there for anyone to look at clearly attacked McCain/Bush’s policies and then said they are the same old same old, you can’t put lipstic on a pig.. its still a pig... etc etc.
The choice of using the word lipstick was no doubt an attempt at getting the nightly sound bite because it plays to her famous joke , but in the context of what he said you cannot get to him suggesting Palin was the pig.
It was incredibly juvenile and unbelievable STUPID, because the statement can so easily be taken out of context and used to portray that’s what he said, and make no mistake that there are plenty of folks on the left who have said it meaning completely Palin is the Pig when they did, that’s not what Fauxbama said.
Everyone, including yourself, concedes that the lipstick was used because Palin had made reference to wearing lipstick.
So when Obama evokes that reference, he is indeed responsible for the association that follows in his own metaphor between the wearer of the lipstick in his speech and that in hers.
You’re argument seems to be that he’s not smart enough to know that; why do you think he believed the audience roared when trotted out a mere cliche? He wasn’t at all surprised by the reaction, after all.
It's pulled off youTube, is there another link?
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Grab it while it lasts.
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Ad pulled because of a copyright complaint by CBS Interactive.
No, that is not my argument at all.. Fauxbama knows damned well using the term would bring up rememberence of Palin’s line, and that’s exactly what he intended, but he didn’t mean for it or intend for it to imply Palin is a pig.
Look, here’s what some folks here are missing. The left (many of them) view Palin as the lipstick. McCain/Bush are the pigs, and they are trying to use her to make them look palpable. That’s clearly what his remark was implying, he wasn’t talking about Palin being the same old same old, in the sentences leading up the comment, he was talking about Bush/McCain.
By using the lipstick line he was trying to usurp it, and blunt the popularity that Palin has brought to the ticket, through ridicule of the republicans using their own word.. that’s a GIVEN sound bite for the evening news and since they have been on the defensive since 2 fridays ago when Palin was announced, something they sorely need.
Sadly though it was a stupid move, because what he said can so easily be edited and portrayed to look like he called Palin a pig, and it has been. I really have no problem with pundents or surrogates doing that, that’s what they do, but the McCain campaign itself to date has managed to stay out of that fray and remained above the allegations of lies and out of contex, etc etc etc that the rabid leftists throw. Now with this ad, he’s clearly engaged in it, so what was up until this point a charge easily dismissed, now this one act has given some credence to it, and that’s not something we need.
I think Palin’s response to it when question was absolutely spot on, Which was something along the lines of not believe how stupid it was, and how can she be offended by something so stupid? That’s a fine response, and frankly true. Politically it was stupid, beyond stupid.
Fauxbama is running the worst presidential campaign in my lifetime IMHO, and yes I’m counting the Bush 92 and Dole 96 campaigns in that. He’s out on the stump mocking things that most americans believe in because they don’t agree with him, not pointing out difference in political stands, but blatantly and openly mocking the parts of the electorate.. the worst was the mocking of the “DRILL BABY DRILL” chant... lets face it, you stand up there and openly mock something 70% of the people want, that’s now how you get elected.
The mans a schlub and he is a gaffe machine, this politically is a gaffe because of how easily it can be spun, and it was just stupid to do... but what he said was not “Palin is a Pig”, no way you get there if you hear or read what he said in its entirety, but of course its being spun that way and that’s a damaging hit he’s taking because he just couldn’t stop himself from trying to delivere a juvenile line that he thought would get the sound bite.
Well, he got the sound bite alright, but it won’t be for the reasons he’s wanted. He just cost himself easily 1-2 days of news cycle by this stupid stupid thing.
Libs keep telling me hes so smart and he thinks unlike the republicans, yet for all the thinking this guy supposedly is capable of doing, I have yet to see him make one smart move, not one.
So your argument indeed is that Obama was the only person in the room who didn’t make the connection between the wearers of the lipstick?
That would make him pretty stupid indeed. Stupider even than I can credit.
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