Posted on 09/09/2008 4:41:46 PM PDT by AuntB
PHOENIX -- The fastest-growing gang in the world is coming to Arizona -- a trend that makes federal agents along the U.S.-Mexico border uncomfortable.
Mara Salvatrucha, or MS-13, is known for its violence and guerilla warfare training, experts said.
"From Oct. 1 until the end of July we've seen over 50 different people involved in not only MS-13, but a number of different gangs affiliated with them," Scioli said. "Just in the past week we've had five."
According to law enforcement personnel, MS-13 members come to Arizona because its position on the border makes it a hot spot for drugs and human smuggling.
Though many MS-13 members are caught crossing the border illegally, some do make it to the Valley.
"They're everywhere," said Maricopa County Sheriff's Deputy John Hansen. "They should worry about them. These guys are not just in the slums; they're in every neighborhood. You can find them from Apache Junction all the way to West Phoenix and everywhere in between."
Border agents are not the only people who are cautious about the gang; illegal immigrants also fear MS-13. Ariel Vasquez, a man who crossed the border illegally, said it is the most dangerous gang on the streets.
"They are very organized," Vasquez told 5 Investigates through a translator. "They have spread all over the United States and Mexico and Central America."
Back on the border, agents try to keep the gang members from crossing into the U.S.
"You always keep that in the back of your head," Scioli said. "One of these guys could be part of that group."
"They're pretty ruthless," said Agent Mike Scioli of the U.S. Border Patrol. "And killing somebody means nothing to them."
MS-13 comes from El Salvador, with an estimated 100,000 members throughout Latin American and the U.S., but gang members are crossing the border in greater numbers.
What do you think the tens of thousands of other Mexican gangs that enter the U.S. are?
They are just hispanic ‘Community Organizers’!
One difference I see with at least some of these hispanic gangs is a genocidal bent.
Not much...
But, from what I’ve been reading — MS13 is larger, more universally violent, nearly all are illegal aliens and they’re costing us a fortune in many ways....
They are the cockroaches....and need immediate extermination before the place becomes unlivable.
Ya leave your borders wide open and actually publicly encourage people to enter illegally, like Bush has, and this is what ya get.
No one should be surprised by all this violent lawlessness.
Problem is thousands of these violent cockroaches are mixed into the conga-line of millions of other illegals the government is waving through...As the greedy business owners throw campaign money at the politicians, to ensure their low wage golden goose is not killed.
That he continues to leave the Southern border wide open remains proof that when GWB says he cares about the WOT, he's blowing presidential smoke up our asses.
Same as McCain's: Hide behind the walls of his state and leave all us pissants not fortunate enough to marry a beer heiress to fend for ourselves. At least Obambi doesn't have the gall to tell half-wittedly tell us that they're "God's children."
Our Government is doing a poor job of guarding our borders.
Eventually it is going to come down to cowboys and MS-13’s .
Exactly, and the sell out of America is nonpartisan fueled by corporate n special interest $$$.
Just shoot them.
Well, since they advertise themselves like walking billboards they should not be hard to identify and destroy.
I’m pretty well prepared. Check my FR home page. The more effective hardware is not shown.
No, it is a terrorist organization, read the FTO standards for a Terror Group, MS13 meets every threshold.
Legal Criteria for Designation under Section 219 of the INA as amended
1. It must be a foreign organization.
2. The organization must engage in terrorist activity, as defined in section 212 (a)(3)(B) of the INA (8 U.S.C. § 1182(a)(3)(B)),* or terrorism, as defined in section 140(d)(2) of the Foreign Relations Authorization Act, Fiscal Years 1988 and 1989 (22 U.S.C. § 2656f(d)(2)),** or retain the capability and intent to engage in terrorist activity or terrorism.
3. The organization’s terrorist activity or terrorism must threaten the security of U.S. nationals or the national security (national defense, foreign relations, or the economic interests) of the United States.
Which takes us over to Section 212
* Section 212(a)(3)(B) of the INA defines “terrorist activity” to mean: “any activity which is unlawful under the laws of the place where it is committed (or which, if committed in the United States, would be unlawful under the laws of the United States or any State) and which involves any of the following:
(I) The highjacking or sabotage of any conveyance (including an aircraft, vessel, or vehicle).
(II) The seizing or detaining, and threatening to kill, injure, or continue to detain, another individual in order to compel a third person (including a governmental organization) to do or abstain from doing any act as an explicit or implicit condition for the release of the individual seized or detained.
(III) A violent attack upon an internationally protected person (as defined in section 1116(b)(4) of title 18, United States Code) or upon the liberty of such a person.
(IV) An assassination.
(V) The use of any—
(a) biological agent, chemical agent, or nuclear weapon or device, or
(b) explosive, firearm, or other weapon or dangerous device (other than for mere personal monetary gain), with intent to endanger, directly or indirectly, the safety of one or more individuals or to cause substantial damage to property.
(VI) A threat, attempt, or conspiracy to do any of the foregoing.”
Bottom line, they meet the threshold as a terror group, not JUST A STREET gang...they are an army. An occupying Army.
more here:
http://www.state.gov/s/ct/rls/fs/37191.htm
But tell me, if you and your family are driving down the road, and gangsters decided they want your vehicle as you stop for a red light, and shoot you in the face, murder your kids, rape and kill your wife....What is the difference between them, and your typical terrorist running around the dusty alleys of Baghdad?
In #54 you stated: "No, it is a terrorist organization".
Which is it?
I'll tell ya what these cockroaches are.
They're violent criminals, typical street gangsters, most of whom live in the senseless murder districts. There is little difference between these violent organized gangs, and your typical terrorist, both of which will kill you for little or no reason.
uh, that’s my point.
Reread post 4— the argument is that they are MORE than a street gang, that they are a terrorist organization and should be dealt with accordingly. It is pretty clear if you read 4 again.
Then what the hell are they?
You think these guys are fanatical religious freaks that would kill the greedy mart cashier for being Christian and leave the money in the register?
What the hell are you talking about here?
Gezzz...
And to be clear, they're ain't a lot of difference between these cockroaches and the cockroaches running around the back alleys of Baghdad.
Call them whatever you want.
Bottom line, you can thank and directly blame your own government for this violent open border lawlessness.
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