Don't Question Obama's Faith or Patriotism (vanity)

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[ChocChipCookie]

I received this email from an individual today who was responding to another somewhat over-the-top email regarding Obama's Muslim roots. I want to respond to this dork and wanted some Freeper suggestions. Here's the gist of his email:

Senator Obama is an individual who has a born-again experience with Jesus Christ. His personal relationship with God is between he and his Saviour. Please do not judge Senator Obama or question his commitment to the United States. He has attended the United Church of Christ for over 18 years. Senator Obama spoke at length about his Christian beliefs in a 2004 Chicago Sun Times interview with Cathleen Falsani.

What you say about Muslims is your choice. But lying, gossiping (BOTH SINS) and unfairly connecting Senator Obama to being Muslim and stating . . ."And Barack Hussein Obama, with Muslim roots, who took the American flag off his plane wants to be our President?" is wrong!

Senator Obama speaks openly and honestly about his Christian faith. Senator McCain, however, is reserved and keeps his faith private. I respect both men.

If you do not want to vote for Senator Obama because of his political positions, that's fine. But do not believe the lies and use them as excuses to persuade your vote.

[ChocChipCookie]

I want to counter this guy with some really good information, which normally comes easy for me. Right now I'm dead tired and need to borrow some Freeper brain power. Since his response went to three or four dozen people, I can't let his idiotic words go unchallenged. What would you say to someone like this?

[chaos_5]

Obama admits Muslim faith! LOL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQqIpdBOg6I

[TheWasteLand]

Send him the "God #$%& America!" clip of Rev. Wright. And be sure to remind him that Obama sat in this guy's church for 20 years and named his book after one of his "sermons" (The Audacity of Hope).

This is Obama's faith.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nH5ixmT83JE

[farmer18th]

I don’t trust the conversion experience of a man who:

1. Sits in the pews of a flat-out RACIST minister — for twenty years.
2. Accepts illegal contributions, and lives in a house, made possible by a Syrian-born convict.
3. Cannot even bring himself to defend the innocent live-born victims of abortion.

That sort of Christianity America does NOT need.

[icwhatudo]

“And Barack Hussein Obama”

That is his name

“with Muslim roots”

That was the faith listed on his school form (pic available at the AP) at age 6 IIRC and the faith of his father and he did not enjoy Koran studies in school in his own book.

“who took the American flag off his plane wants to be our President”

He did as it was part of the previous airlines logo-he replaced it with his own.

[ETL]

Black Liberation Theology is communist. It only uses religion to promote hatred, division and ultimately, revolution.

The Real Story Behind Rev. Wright's Controversial Black Liberation Theology Doctrine
Monday , May 5, 2008
FoxNews/Hannity's America
[special Friday night edition--original airdate May 2, 2008]

(some key excerpts)

["(Jose) Diaz-Balart is the son of Rafael Diaz-Balart y Guitierrez (a former Cuban politician). He has three bothers, Rafael Diaz-Balart (a banker), Mario Diaz-Balart (a US Congressman) and Lincoln Diaz-Balart (also a US Congressman). His aunt, Mirta Diaz-Balart, was Fidel Castro's first wife."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jose_Diaz-Balart]

JOSE DIAZ-BALART, TELEMUNDO NETWORK: "Liberation theology in Nicaragua in the mid-1980's was a pro-Sandinista, pro-Marxist, anti-U.S., anti-Catholic Church movement. That's it. No ifs, ands, or buts. His church apparently supported, in the mid-'80s in Nicaragua, groups that supported the Sandinista dictatorships and that were opposed to the Contras whose reason for being was calling for elections. That's all I know. I was there.

I saw the churches in Nicaragua that he spoke of, and the churches were churches that talked about the need for violent revolution and I remember clearly one of the major churches in Managua where the Jesus Christ on the altar was not Jesus Christ, he was a Sandinista soldier, and the priests talked about the corruption of the West, talked about the need for revolution everywhere, and talked about 'the evil empire' which was the United States of America."

REV. BOB SCHENCK, NATIONAL CLERGY COUNCIL: "it's based in Marxism. At the core of his [Wright's] theology is really an anti-Christian understanding of God, and as part of a long history of individuals who actually advocate using violence in overthrowing those they perceive to be oppressing them, even acts of murder have been defended by followers of liberation theology. That's very, very dangerous."

SCHENCK: "I was actually the only person escorted to Dr. Wright. He asked to see me, and I simply welcomed him to Washington, and then I said Dr. Wright, I want to bring you a warning: your embrace of Marxist liberation theology. It is contrary to the Gospel, and you need, sir, to abandon it. And at that he dropped the handshake and made it clear that he was not in the mood to dialogue on that point."

Source: The Real Story Behind Rev. Wright's Controversial Black Liberation Theology Doctrine:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,354158,00.html

Obama's Church: Gospel of Hate
Kathy Shaidle, FrontPageMag.com
Monday, April 07, 2008

In March of 2007, FOX News host Sean Hannity had engaged Obama’s pastor in a heated interview about his Church’s teachings. For many viewers, the ensuing shouting match was their first exposure to "Black Liberation Theology"...

Like the pro-communist Liberation Theology that swept Central America in the 1980s and was repeatedly condemned by Pope John Paul II, Black Liberation Theology combines warmed-over 1960s vintage Marxism with carefully distorted biblical passages. However, in contrast to traditional Marxism, it emphasizes race rather than class. The Christian notion of "salvation" in the afterlife is superseded by "liberation" on earth, courtesy of the establishment of a socialist utopia.
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=30CD9E14-B0C9-4F8C-A0A6-A896F0F44F02

From "45 Communist Goals":
#27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion.
http://www.uhuh.com/nwo/communism/comgoals.htm

Catholics for Marx
By Fr. Robert Sirico
FrontPageMagazine.com | Thursday, June 03, 2004

In the days when the Superpowers were locked in a Cold War, Latin America seethed with revolution, and millions lived behind an iron curtain, a group of theologians concocted a novel idea within the history of Christianity. They proposed to combine the teachings of Jesus with the teachings of Marx as a way of justifying violent revolution to overthrow the economics of capitalism.

The Gospels were re-rendered not as doctrine impacting on the human soul but rather as windows into the historical dialectic of class struggle. These "liberation theologians" saw every biblical criticism of the rich as a mandate to expropriate the expropriating owners of capital, and every expression of compassion for the poor as a call for an uprising by the proletarian class of peasants and workers.
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=460782B7-35CC-4C9E-A2C5-93832067C7CD

"Their founding document [the Weather Underground's] called for the establishment of a "white fighting force" to be allied with the "Black Liberation Movement" and other "anti-colonial" movements[1] to achieve "the destruction of US imperialism and the achievement of a classless world: world communism."..."-Berger, Dan (2006). Outlaws of America: The Weather Underground and the Politics of Solidarity. AK Press, 95.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weatherman_Underground#cite_ref-Berger_0-0

[ari-freedom]

OK. Next!

[VeniVidiVici]

Ever hear of Barry Lynn? The gadfly who sees church and state in everything and sues everyone (well, as long as it is a conservative)? Well, Barry Lynn is an ordained UCC minister and the executive director of Americans United for Separation of Church and State.

Trinity UCC is affiliated with and is the largest congregation under the UCC umbrella.

Oh, and Barry thought it just peachy that Obama came to speak at a UCC synod.

[AndyTheBear]

When Rev Wright screamed for God to condemn America, the congregation at his church (which Obama was a 20 member of) cheered approval.

If a lead pastor screamed such a curse at a normal church where people were not anti-American bigots, there would likely be stunned silence.

How could he have gone to a church with that attitude for 20 years if he was patriotic?

How can Obama supporters think that people can be dumb enough to think Rev Wright had not been saying outrageous anti-American stuff at a church that seems to love it so much for years?

How can any reasonable person accept the idea that Obama might be patriotic?

Not questioning the man's patriotism is an act of willful ignorance.

[AmericaUnited]

This is total bull because there is a youtube of him on Ophrah agreeing with here new age “there are many ways” religion.

[RaceBannon]

Obama NEVER called himself a Born Again Christian, and the church he attended for 20 years, that pastor on national television said that Islam is just as valid as Christianity, that the other sheep mentioned in John were Muslims

[MattMa]

Simple put, Obama is a Muslim because it was passed on by birthright from his father. And his denial makes him an apostate in the eyes of others in the Muslim faith.