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Rock group Heart says "Barracuda" use is fishy (Waaah alert!)
al Reuters ^ | 9/5/2008

Posted on 09/06/2008 10:39:05 AM PDT by markomalley

LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - The rock group Heart, angry that its '70s hit "Barracuda" is being used as the unofficial theme song for Republican Vice Presidential nominee Sarah Palin, is taking aim at the Alaska governor.

The song, a nod to the "Sarah Barracuda" nickname Palin earned on the basketball court in high school, was dusted off for her appearance at the Republican National Convention in St. Paul on Wednesday.

Heart singers Ann and Nancy Wilson said a "cease-and-desist" letter has been sent to the Republicans asking them not to use the song.

"The Republican campaign did not ask for permission to use the song, nor would they have been granted that permission," according to a statement issued late on Thursday on behalf of the sisters.

There was no immediate comment from the Republican camp.

Last month, rocker Jackson Browne sued Republican presidential candidate John McCain, the Republican National Committee and the Ohio Republican Party, accusing them of using his 1977 hit "Running on Empty" in a campaign ad without permission.

Copyright law may not be on the Wilsons' side as the song is licensed for public performance under a blanket fee paid by the venue to ASCAP, the firm that collects royalties on behalf of composers and copyright owners.

Despite the Wilson sisters' objections, one of the song's co-writers said he was "thrilled" that the song was used.

In an e-mail to Reuters, the band's former guitarist, Roger Fisher, said it was a win-win situation. Heart gets publicity and royalties, while the Republicans benefit from "the ingenious placement of a kick-ass song," Fisher said.

(Excerpt) Read more at reuters.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: hasbeens; mccainpalin; oldhags; sarah
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To: Farmer Dean
Looks like the one on the left was built back when meat was cheap.

Brutal! Funny, but brutal!!

That doesn't mean I won't steal it and use it at some future time.

101 posted on 09/06/2008 1:35:41 PM PDT by Cheburashka (Democratic Underground: where PCP is not just for breakfast anymore.)
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To: Cheburashka
Cut her some slack...she's in training for the next olympics!
102 posted on 09/06/2008 1:38:58 PM PDT by jeffrho ("An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last." - Winston Churchill)
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To: frogjerk
Public Performance or Performance Rights A public performance is one that occurs "in a place open to the public or at any place where a substantial number of persons outside of a normal circle of a family and its social acquaintances is gathered." A public performance also occurs when the performance is transmitted by means of any device or process (for example, via broadcast, telephone wire, or other means) to the public. In order to perform a copyrighted work publicly, the user must obtain performance rights from the copyright owner or his representative.This is the law and rules you are miss using, royalties are royalties, http://www.ascap.com/licensing/termsdefined.html
103 posted on 09/06/2008 1:55:17 PM PDT by org.whodat (Republicans should support the SAM Walton business model, and then drill???)
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To: steve-b

They should offer the two women from Heart a couple pints of Hagen Daz and all will be fine!


104 posted on 09/06/2008 2:02:00 PM PDT by Holicheese (The sound you hear is another nail in the Yankees coffin!)
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To: org.whodat

If the article is accurate, it says the public performance licensing fee was paid, so no intellectual property rights or contractual obligations were violated.

That said, if they are going to make a stink, you stop using the song, and leave them looking like the petty, classless loons that they are. (With the exception of the song’s co-writer, who had a much more level-headed and witty response.)


105 posted on 09/06/2008 2:03:15 PM PDT by PhatHead
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To: PhatHead
A fee is for a one time thing, for one event, the owners said no more that's it, someone should stop whining.
106 posted on 09/06/2008 2:08:50 PM PDT by org.whodat (Republicans should support the SAM Walton business model, and then drill???)
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To: mainerforglobalwarming

He also issued a statement that the royalties he earns from Republicans using the song would be forwarded to Obama campaign...that he is a big Obama supporter...


107 posted on 09/06/2008 2:11:23 PM PDT by old and cranky (You! Out Of The Gene Pool - Now!)
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To: org.whodat

But isn’t this what happened? The McCain campaign got the rights and paid the fee?


108 posted on 09/06/2008 2:27:36 PM PDT by frogjerk (MSM: We will not question Obama bin Biden...)
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To: org.whodat

I’m sure there is a way for the song’s owners to remove themselves from the license agreement, but as I said, if they are making a public stink, that should be reason enough for the campaign to stop using the song.

A guy like Rush Limbaugh can keep using a liberal group’s song for decades just by paying the license fee and not worrying about the owner’s griping (as he has,) but in a campaign you have to think about “winning the battle but losing the war,” and it just isn’t worth it.


109 posted on 09/06/2008 2:30:21 PM PDT by PhatHead
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To: steve-b

“Copyright law may not be on the Wilsons’ side as the song is licensed for public performance under a blanket fee paid by the venue to ASCAP”

The venue apparently had already paid the blanket fee that was required.


110 posted on 09/06/2008 3:35:23 PM PDT by doug from upland (8 million views of HILLARY! UNCENSORED - put some ice on it, witch)
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To: jeffrho
What, co-ed sumo wrestling is an Olympic sport now?!?

Yes, I know. I'm bad.

111 posted on 09/06/2008 4:25:27 PM PDT by Cheburashka (Democratic Underground: where PCP is not just for breakfast anymore.)
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To: PhatHead
There is a difference in the usage for Rush and he only uses a small clip. And they are not removing themselves from an agreement they are exercising their rights under the agreement.
112 posted on 09/06/2008 4:28:40 PM PDT by org.whodat (Republicans should support the SAM Walton business model, and then drill???)
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To: markomalley
You're correct, of course..this is just scaredy ass libs doing a shout out to their liberal comrades that they're not in the McCain camp. So childish. Can you imagine if everytime a song is used they would have to get permission from the artist? It's absurd. That's why there's a licensing company and I'm sure the money as paid.

And, of course, libs can be bought. Just ask Chrissy Hynde, the writer of Rush Limbausgh's theme song. He paid her alot to keep her mouth shut!

113 posted on 09/06/2008 5:09:46 PM PDT by Hildy ("We do not see things as they are. We see things as we are.")
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To: Hildy; markomalley

I believe there is also a HUGE difference in fees and user rights when it’s for a NON-COMMERCIAL event (like the RNC Convention) and a commercial enterprise (Rush’s show).


114 posted on 09/06/2008 5:14:22 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: org.whodat

I’m not sure what point you are trying to argue. The article at the top of this thread says the venue paid a public performance licensing fee for the song. To use it in the future, the campaign would have to pay that fee, as well, and unless Heart withdraws from the umbrella agreement under which the song’s royalties are paid, McCain would be doing nothing wrong. That’s exactly what Rush does. As far as specific details of the agreements and royalties - I have no idea, and unless you are an attorney specializing in this field, I doubt you do either.

I think you agree with me that it would be dumb for the campaign to pick a fight over this. In addition, I think it is dumb for Heart to make a stink just because somebody liked their song enough to play it. Nobody on earth would take that as an endorsement of the candidate by the artist, just as nobody took Obama’s use of “Only in America” after his speech to mean that the Republicans who sang it were endorsing him. They played that song live for Bush in 2004. Unlike Heart, Kix Brooks only stated that he was flattered his music appealed to people in both parties.


115 posted on 09/06/2008 5:41:24 PM PDT by PhatHead
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To: wagglebee

I don’t know what you’re trying to say..but Rush did talk about his deal with Chrissy Hynde many years ago. He said he pays her a fortune.


116 posted on 09/06/2008 7:35:04 PM PDT by Hildy ("We do not see things as they are. We see things as we are.")
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To: SamAdams76

Thank you for your clarifications, your posts. Even if you don’t know for absolute fact, I appreciate the commentary.


117 posted on 09/07/2008 9:04:35 AM PDT by MozarkDawg
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To: GeeMoney
but Heart sucks

You're crazy. Heart is one of the greatest rock bands ever. Their rock songs in the 70s and their power ballads in the 80s are classics. Just because they're liberal doesn't mean they suck.

118 posted on 09/07/2008 9:15:33 AM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Their 70s stuff rocked, their 80s stuff sucked.


119 posted on 09/07/2008 9:17:55 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: webschooner
Correct. Chrissy Hynde of the Pretenders a few years ago, tried to stop Rush from using the first part of "My City is Gone" for his theme song. She couldn't stop it because Rush pays the fees.

Actually, that's not what happened. Rush start using the song without permission and some liberal scumbag told the band. The band then told Rush not to use it - but their parents (who are Rush listeners) talked to them and told Rush he could use it if he donated to PETA or something. And that's what Rush did.

I never would have known that was an actual song. I had always thought the distinctive riff was something that was personally made for Rush.

120 posted on 09/07/2008 9:22:53 AM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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