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GOP: Only legal residents should be counted
ap ^ | September 2nd, 2008 | JIM ABRAMS

Posted on 09/03/2008 11:36:24 AM PDT by Red Steel

WASHINGTON (AP) — The 2008 Republican platform, in language that is hostile to illegal immigrants, says the makeup of Congress should be determined by counting only those legally residing in the United States in the next census.

"The integrity of the 2010 census, proportioning congressional representation among the states, must be preserved," says the platform language, which is a reinterpretation of the Constitution that could affect how congressional seats are apportioned. "The census," it says, "should count every person legally abiding in the United States in an actual enumeration."

The 14th Amendment of the Constitution, ratified in 1868, says representatives to the U.S. House "should be apportioned among the several states according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each state, excluding Indians not taxed."

"Our mandate is to count all residents regardless of legal status," said Mark Tolbert, a spokesman for the Census Bureau.

The bureau does not ask questions about legal status. Immigration groups have put the number of illegal immigrants at up to 12 million out of a U.S. population of more than 300 million.

Michigan Republican Rep. Candice Miller has proposed a constitutional amendment specifying that congressional representation "shall be determined by counting the number of persons in each state who are citizens of the United States."

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TOPICS: Extended News; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 14thamendment; 2008rncconvention; aliens; census; electioncongress; electionpresident; electoralcollege; immigrantlist; immigration; rncplatform

1 posted on 09/03/2008 11:36:24 AM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel
Michigan Republican Rep. Candice Miller has proposed a constitutional amendment specifying that congressional representation "shall be determined by counting the number of persons in each state who are citizens of the United States."

We aren't all blue up here in Michigan.
2 posted on 09/03/2008 11:39:11 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Voting Conservative isn't for the faint of heart.)
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To: Red Steel
“counting the whole number of persons in each state, excluding Indians not taxed”

Problem solved, don't tax them and call them Indians which is true and a fair comparison.

It was NEVER the intention of our forbearer's to include the enumeration of non-citizens when apportioning Congressional districts.

3 posted on 09/03/2008 11:50:00 AM PDT by Camel Joe (liberal=socialist=royalist/imperialist pawn=enemy of Freedom)
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To: Red Steel
' "The integrity of the 2010 census, proportioning congressional representation among the states, must be preserved,' says the platform language, which is a reinterpretation of the Constitution that could affect how congressional seats are apportioned."

REinterpretation?? Where in the US Constitution does it say that non residents (who cannot legally vote) should be included in the apportionment of congressional (elected seats) districts?

4 posted on 09/03/2008 11:59:19 AM PDT by cake_crumb (Terrorist organizations worldwide endorse Obama.)
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To: Red Steel
The 2008 Republican platform, in language that is hostile to illegal immigrants,

The usual crAP from the AP.

5 posted on 09/03/2008 12:16:37 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Joe Biden's first wife Neilia Hunter killed herself and their daughter.)
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To: Camel Joe

Actually you are wrong completely on this. The original Constitution counted blacks and natives as 3/5ths a person. The 14th Amendment changed the verbage and eliminated this.


6 posted on 09/03/2008 12:50:53 PM PDT by Diplomat
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To: cripplecreek
Of course we aren't - she got elected - didn't she. I am not really fond of her - but she is a great deal better than what else we have. Her husband used to be a Commander in the Air National Guard - that is the only reason I even care for her because she is helping preserve on of the few remaining military bases in Michigan.
7 posted on 09/03/2008 1:05:13 PM PDT by Core_Conservative (Proud to be "The self-righteous, gun-totin, military lovin, abortion-hatin, gay-loathin'...")
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To: cripplecreek
OH CRUD - I need to open my eyes and read what is there - not what my mind thinks is there - I apologize for the slip up - that is a good change to the amendment.
8 posted on 09/03/2008 1:08:23 PM PDT by Core_Conservative (Proud to be "The self-righteous, gun-totin, military lovin, abortion-hatin, gay-loathin'...")
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To: Red Steel
Imagine only wanting to count legal residents. How despicable! [/sarcasm]
9 posted on 09/03/2008 1:31:13 PM PDT by Major Matt Mason (A happy member of the New Media.)
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10 posted on 09/03/2008 1:34:47 PM PDT by gubamyster
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To: Red Steel

If Indians were excluded, it is clear the intent was only to count citizens. why should not citizens be represented?
susie


11 posted on 09/03/2008 1:47:57 PM PDT by brytlea (If you are voting third party, you are definitely voting for Obama!)
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To: Red Steel

“The 2008 Republican platform, in language that is hostile to illegal immigrants, says the makeup of Congress should be determined by counting only those legally residing in the United States in the next census.”

This language is NOT hostile to illegal immigrants, this language is required to live by the “equal representation” ideals of a democratic republic. Non-citizens cannot vote, so the apportionment should be based on citizens only, or some districts will be ‘rotten’ boroughs of illegal immigrants. Look up Baker v Carr.


12 posted on 09/03/2008 1:54:09 PM PDT by WOSG (McCain/Palin 08)
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To: WOSG

Non-citizens are voting with the help of traitors who wish to bring about the collapse of the Republic from the inside.


13 posted on 09/03/2008 2:38:45 PM PDT by B4Ranch ("Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you"--John Steinbeck)
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To: Diplomat
The original Constitution counted blacks and natives as 3/5ths a person

And recall that this was a compromise to keep the Southern states in the fold. The non-slave states did not want to count them, since they knew if illegitimately inflated slave state political power.

14 posted on 09/03/2008 3:16:10 PM PDT by Regulator (Obama = Mugabe)
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15 posted on 09/04/2008 4:12:51 AM PDT by bcsco (Palin runs a state. Obama runs...from his ties to Communism.)
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To: Red Steel
Michigan Republican Rep. Candice Miller has proposed a constitutional amendment specifying that congressional representation "shall be determined by counting the number of persons in each state who are citizens of the United States."

Preach it brother er,... sister.

16 posted on 09/04/2008 4:56:51 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: brytlea
If Indians were excluded, it is clear the intent was only to count citizens. why should not citizens be represented?

Good point. And the Indians were even legal residents, not like our criminal invaders.
17 posted on 09/04/2008 7:36:04 AM PDT by CottonBall
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To: Diplomat

I was also completely sarcastic as well...


18 posted on 09/04/2008 7:42:02 AM PDT by Camel Joe (liberal=socialist=royalist/imperialist pawn=enemy of Freedom)
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To: Red Steel

Just like the spineless GOP to say the census “should” only count citizens. Proper word usage would be, “the census MAY ONLY count citizens...” C’mon GOP, show a little back bone!


19 posted on 09/04/2008 10:10:42 AM PDT by whipitgood (Illegal immigration: Let's roll!)
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Immigration groups have put the number of illegal immigrants at up to 12 million ..

Well well. Here's the old Hispanic Nose-Count Demographic Hosshiite raising its ugly head once again.

Sure there are 12 million illegals ... in California. If you take in the rest of the country, a more accurate number may well be over 25 million. Who knows?

In fact, illegals, and their 2d, 3rd, and 4th generations will make Hispanics fully 30 percent of our population. It is not a question of "IF." Simply "WHEN?" If we run our border according to law, it will still happen, just take a bit longer.

20 posted on 09/04/2008 12:03:04 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk (GOP Plank: Pump MORE US Crude--2Xrefining capacity -- Coal /METHANOL fuel-- Build Nukes)
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