Posted on 09/01/2008 10:28:31 AM PDT by Prunetacos
Investigators were at an impasse when a lucky discovery narrowed the hunt for the culprit who mailed the deadly spores.
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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2058154/posts
See posts from Battle Axe # 268, 270, 271 in reply to cynwoody.
Where did the grandmother spores come from?
BA
Red flags should have been thrown in the air when atypical colonies start showing up on plates.
First thing you have to look at is genetic drift, natural selection, host specificity. Then I would infect some hosts...I’d have to stay with animal models and see how the different colonies expressed in the host.
One would assume if there was this mixture in Bob Stevens, and there was, that there is no natural selection, no genetic drift, no host specificity. So that leaves expression.
How do the two types differ in appearance when causing an infection?
How does a mixture of the two express itself?
BA
Pinging
“Within two months of the 2001 anthrax attacks, researchers helping the FBI were able to exclude Iraq and Russia as likely suspects.”
What about Britain, Canada, Saudi, Pakistan, etc?
The the early project to preclude Russia and Iraq in the first weeks of the investigation eerily parallel Meselson & wife’s (and Ritter) early public pronouncements working to proactively preclude Iraq and Russia.
Where did the grandmother spores come from?
“And there is also the fact that Assaad used to work at the U.S. Army’s Medical Research Institute for Infectious Diseases (USAMRIID), in Fort Detrick, Md., a biowarfare lab many critics believe might have been the source of the stolen anthrax. According to internal Army documents in Assaad’s own possession (and first reported about in the Hartford Courant), 27 specimens, including anthrax, Ebola and the hantavirus were lost in the early 1990s from the lab. The documents paint a chaotic picture of a poorly managed lab.”
Ping
Might be some new stuff in this article.
Yes, this was the sound of their case against Ivins being flushed down the toilet from the mouth of their star witness.
“Did Ivins alter the official sample he submitted? Keim said the test was sensitive enough that it should have picked up the signature of the mutant spores had Ivins followed the FBI’s directions for making the samples.
‘”Ivins may simply have failed to collect a representative sample,” he said, adding that “the FBI is implying he did it on purpose.’ “
Mon, Sep. 1, 2008
Cracking the anthrax case
Investigators were at an impasse when a lucky discovery narrowed the hunt for the culprit who mailed the deadly spores.
I would further note that while I’ve never thought that Iraq or Russia were in any way involved, it is a silly fallacy to think that because it was the Ames strain, those could be excluded. Instead the inquiry was whether they had obtained it. For example, Dr. Alibek explained that Russia routinely obtained all of Detrick’s pathogens within 6 months by reason of a spy. Others who worked in the Soviet program have confirmed that. You just filled out an order form requesting the pathogen you wanted.
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>>>Yes, this was the sound of their case against Ivins being flushed down the toilet from the mouth of their star witness.
If that is true, I hope the FBI is in someway investigated and held liable for Ivin’s death.
A stressed, paranoid person can easily and accidently overdose on tylenol It doesn’t that many doses at all.
The other point which seems to have politicized the investigation has merit, IMHO, if I recall correctly that any lab could request samples of the strain simply by asking for them. Misdirection would have pointed away from Iraq easily.
Thanks Shermy...
If he was truly guilty, that will make the issue moot. But his passing of the polygraphs makes me wonder.
More people will fall by the way side for this bastard vaccine. The people who lied about its testing.
The people who falsified documents for it.
The people who were ordered to lie about its success and more.
How about Louis Caldera, giving the company manufacturing it a Letter of Indemnification?
How about Clinton's friend, Admiral Crowe (only admitted controlling interest partner in the company) who helped Clinton when he was running for president by openly supporting him so as to get passed the Draft Dodging issue?
How about the fact that three times the line was shut down for problems with the vaccine?
How about the DOD and the FDA admitting that the vaccine was 175 times more reactagenic then previously admitted to?
How about the FACT that the man they now accuse of mailing out the spores is dead and HIS research was the research used for the vaccines justification for forced inoculation of our troops?
No....can't be ANY of that...it has to be some fantastic Taliban Muslim connection that does not exist, or something like that.
Face it folks...it was done to protect a vaccine program, connections and MONEY!
The FBI wants to blame one of our scientists and USAMRIID.
How about all the “scientists” that our colleges and universities train every year. These students...mostly from the Middle East or Indonesia, are excellent students. They could trounce the heck out of me.
I had one Chinese girl so mad at me for not getting a better result on an experiment she was stomping her feet. We were lab partners.....me Waspy White head strong female, this Chinese girl whose name I could never pronounce and a 25 year old Palestinian who had been deported a couple of times....his mother was born in Bethlehem and his father was born in Jerusalem. The guy was pretty laid back.
So.... yes it came from within the shores of America, but I do not think at American hands.
Good call Calper....Ivins was tortured.
BA
After what went on with Hatfill, and Ivens telling no tales...I think this is a setup...and someday we'll find out it leads back to ATTA...and Iraq....if everyone hasn't been knocked off yet.
He could not be linked to the Quantico letter that fingered Dr. Assaad.
Conclusive evidence of means, motive and opportunity are missing
Case Analysis in a Nutshell
1. Ivins cannot be placed at the Princeton mailbox at either of the two times he would have to have been there.
2. There are additional hoax letters that have not been discussed by FBI in the information released Wednesday; may we assume Ivins could not be placed at those mailbox locations during the requisite windows of opportunity?
3. No official evidence has come forward indicating the nature of the Daschle/Leahy spore preparation, nor whether Ivins possessed the knowledge regarding its production, or access to the necessary equipment.
4. No convincing motive has been presented, although a variety of implausible motives have been suggested.
5. Although many other people with a strong motive can be identified, there is no evidence they were investigated by FBI and exculpated
6. "The FBI sought out the best experts in the scientific community and, over time, four highly sensitive and specific tests were developed that were capable of detecting the unique qualities of the anthrax used in the 2001 attacks." However, details about the microbial forensic analysis have not been released, and may not be available for months or years pending publication. Scientists doubt that any forensic analysis can do more than identify the precise strain of anthrax.
7. The pre-franked envelopes could not be identified as coming from Ivins' post office, as initially claimed, but were instead sold in multiple post offices, none of which was definitely in Frederick.
8. Ivins was not the "sole custodian" of the RMR-1029 strain; over 100 people had access to it and they may have shared it with others. How was Ivins selected as a suspect and the others exonerated?
9. Handwriting analysis has not linked him to the crime.
10. He could not be linked to the Quantico letter that fingered Dr. Assaad. He could not be linked to any efforts to finger Dr. Hatfill.
11. No physical evidence links him to the crime: this includes the tape on the letters, fibers, human DNA, spores in his car, home or personal effects, evidence of any kind he travelled to the areas where the letters were mailed, including purchasing enough gasoline for a 7 hour trip to Princeton, twice.
12. He passed two polygraph examinations at Fort Detrick. 13. Since the FBI has been unable to build a convincing case against any one individual in the 7 years since the letters were sent, why didn't it focus on identifying a conspiracy of individuals who together may have been able to perform the complex actions required to send the anthrax letters and hoax letters?
Posted by Meryl Nass, M.D.
The bigger question to me would be motive and that might lead to misdirection if nothing was or is apparent.
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