Posted on 08/30/2008 7:09:59 AM PDT by chessplayer
Taking a look at the stories in the Old Media will show that the Media is turning attack dog ASAP on McCain's choice for vice president, Sarah Palin. Notice the main meme is her supposed "inexperience." Funny how Palin was the VP pick for about 15 seconds before the Old Media went after her "inexperience" while they have yet to hit Barry Obama on HIS inexperience at all and he's been running for president since 2004. We should also note that Palin didn't get the honeymoon that Biden got when his announcement was made. But, the worst is yet to come and the Daily Kos is doing its level best to mine the lowest of lows. In a Kos diary today, it is being alleged that Sarah Palin "faked" the pregnancy of her last child, a baby born with Down's Syndrome. The claim is that it was her teenaged daughter's child, not hers. And, true to form, the Kossacks took that absurd calumny and hate even further in the comments.
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By Evangelical Christians! ;)
ROTFLOL
“Must be all those Papist Supreme Court justices that get appointed.
By Evangelical Christians! ;)”
Yeah, that makes up for our foreign policy...right.
No, but Palin apparently wants to see her idea of science taught in schools.
Oh horrors! Imagine teaching the truth in a school. I have seen the left smearing her on this already. What she favors is teaching both. Here is an excerpt from a newspaper article during her gubernatorial campaign: 'Creation science' enters the race GOVERNOR: Palin is only candidate to suggest it should be discussed in schools. .
Palin was answering a question from the moderator near the conclusion of Wednesday night's televised debate on KAKM Channel 7 when she said, "Teach both. You know, don't be afraid of information. Healthy debate is so important, and it's so valuable in our schools. I am a proponent of teaching both."
Read the article if you want to know what her real position is. It is less than I would like, but good enough for me to support. Do you think it is inappropriate to teach creationism, or at least ID, alongside the theory of evolution?
She believes that her government actions are following “God’s Plan”, apparently communicated to her, and part of the same “God’s Plan” executed through our foreign policy which has brought devastation to my co-religionists and your fellow Christians.
I think your "apparently" goes WAY beyond anything you can reasonably hold Palin accountable for. You are either ascribing to her things she never said, OR you are unhappy that she believes what all Bible-believing Christians believe. NOT believing that God has a plan puts you in the distinct minority of all Americans. So on that, Sarah is "normal" and you guys are on the outside. :)
Now, I suppose that Palin speaking about her religious beliefs is indeed something to be thankful for since forewarned is forearmed.
Yes, that's what I'm saying (even though you appear disposed against Palin). At least you know more about what makes her tick. By the same token I notice that Obama and Biden WANT to be known as good Christian men, by their respective statements. I am glad to have the information to know they are both phonies.
“I think your “apparently” goes WAY beyond anything you can reasonably hold Palin accountable for.”
She hasn’t condemned the foreign policy which is destroying Eastern Christianity has she?
“You are either ascribing to her things she never said, OR you are unhappy that she believes what all Bible-believing Christians believe. NOT believing that God has a plan puts you in the distinct minority of all Americans.”
You think so? I suppose it depends on what the plan is. If by that you mean that there was a script for my life and I simply follow it, well, I sincerely doubt that the majority of American Christians believe that since as we all know, the majority of American Christians are not Calvinists and I know that the majority of Christians in the world don’t believe that.
FK, it will come as no surprise to you that I don’t accept Palin’s theology of God mapping out a plan for Palin’s life anymore than I can accept that her talking in tongues will enhance the security of this country or the well being of the people. In fact, as I have said, I think its downright dangerous and not just for Americans.
That is simply inaccurate, Kolo. I looked it up. She was talking to a group and referred to our troops as doing "God's work." That is a known colloquial expression, and it had absolutely nothing to do with her religious faith. The colloquial expression means that she believes their mission is good and necessary. US foreign policy in nations such as Iraq and Syria have absolutely NOTHING to do with the treatment of Christians. Those poor communities were oppressed long before Americans existed as a nation. They were miniscule in size, and that is why they had absolutely no impact on their Islamic masters and their policies. I disagree with you about those nations and their Christian communities having been evangelical Protestant. For exactly the same reason as the Orthodox, they would have been beyond help. I, an evangelical Protestant, was certainly not alone in my protesting of American anti-Serb policy in Bosnia/Kosovo. You can do an FR archive search, Kolo. Even though active duty, and stationed in the European footprint of the very units deployed in Bosnia and Kosovo, I was totally supportive of the Serbs. It's a matter of record. Check it. I do NOT think that American evangelicals consider the Orthodox as non-Christian. I never have, and if anything, I've been taught to view them with great respect for their preservation of great documents, doctrines, and traditions of our Christian faith. I, in fact, trace my ecclesial lineage through the orthodox.
when this Palin woman starts attributing to God a plan for this war
That is simply inaccurate, Kolo. I looked it up. She was talking to a group and referred to our troops as doing "God's work." That is a known colloquial expression, and it had absolutely nothing to do with her religious faith. The colloquial expression means that she believes their mission is good and necessary.
US foreign policy in nations such as Iraq and Syria have absolutely NOTHING to do with the treatment of Christians. Those poor communities were oppressed long before Americans existed as a nation. They were minuscule in size, and that is why they had absolutely no impact on their Islamic masters and their policies.
I disagree with you about those nations and their Christian communities having been evangelical Protestant. For exactly the same reason as the Orthodox, they would have been beyond help.
I, an evangelical Protestant, was certainly not alone in my protesting of American anti-Serb policy in Bosnia/Kosovo. You can do an FR archive search, Kolo. Even though active duty, and stationed in the European footprint of the very units deployed in Bosnia and Kosovo, I was totally supportive of the Serbs. It's a matter of record. Check it.
I do NOT think that American evangelicals consider the Orthodox as non-Christian. I never have, and if anything, I've been taught to view them with great respect for their preservation of great documents, doctrines, and traditions of our Christian faith. I, in fact, trace my ecclesial lineage through the orthodox.
In pursuit of the perfect you seek to throw out the good, not smart.
I scanned the link that 1000silverlins provided. The persecution EO have been suffering has been going on for a long time. 9-11 opened the door to a shift in policy. Instead of protesting about all the terrible things done in the name of islam, we attacked and destroyed those performing the most direct attacks against us.
In addition to attacking the overt enemy we are also attacking the cause. One way terrorists are created is in an environment where freedom of thought and speech does not exist. If we establish representative govts. in the ME and these countries begin to see real peace and a future for their children demands for more freedom within these countries and neighboring countries will grow. In that freedom the yoke of islamic oppression will be broken.
Islam only thrives where all other views are not allowed.
No REAL Catholic would ever think of overturning Roe v. Wade. WE need Real Catholics like Joe Biden and Nancy Pelosi to undo all the damage that these CINO Justices and Evangelicals are doing to this nation.
LOL!
I guess all these FR Catholics aren't real Catholics. ;)
I'm not sure what you mean. The Founding Fathers, and the vast majority of American leaders, until relatively recent times, have all recognized that the Christian God is an intrical part of the fabric of America, the SOUL of America, if you will. Until liberalism gained a majority in power, leaders promoted the American belief that God is there. Politically supported actions such as the pledge and what is on the money serve as reminders. The Bible is clear that the human being NEEDS lots of reminders. If leaders are duly elected who happen to be Christians then I see nothing wrong with supporting reminders of our heritage as Americans. I think that the banning of God that you suggest is a denial of where our country came from.
Thanks for the link!
And it’s the only religion with a Saviour who died for us and rose again and is coming again. THAT is unique, hallelujah.
Thanks. I’ve added it to my favorites. M
Thanks. I’ve added it to my favorites. M
Now that's an interesting way to put it, and I would agree with you. But I'm not sure Kosta would.
"As Christians"...speaking on a political situation, seeking a moral outcome. Amen.
Doctors are not always in agreement. It's their success that speaks more than anything.
You also failed to show me where there is any mention of Christ in the Declaration.
I wont' even go there because this is a diversionary tactic. She linked the Iraq war to God and his "plan." I am sure she didn't mean Allah. Perhaps you need to consult more than Fix News as your sourece of inforamtion.
If any politician relates anything to God, is that person a religious nut to you?
Herein lies the problem. You think people are God's puppets on the string and we don't. Sarah Palin can come out and say something ridiuculous like God building the pipeline and to non-evangelicals it sounds like woodoo, because like everything else in religion it's all in one's imgaination.
Well the Founding Fathers didn't think so, as at least two were deists and two were Unitarists who, by your and my definition of Christianity are not Christians. Any mention of Christ is conspicuously absent from the Declaration of Independence, and the only reference to "God" is the one that says "endowed by their Creator, with unalienable rights." The Declaration also mentions "Nature's God" entitling them to Independence. Chirst is never mentioned.
There is nothing in the Founding Declaration of this Country's existence that says Christianity is the only true religion and source of morality that you claim. If anything, it proclaims that the rights are endowed to all humanity and that all humanity has the same rights. I would say that is as unbiblical as it gets.
The declaration cannot be removed from its context. It was a Christian context.
Therefore, the talk about the God of Nature and Creator was fully understood to be Christian. It simply cannot be denied, Kosta. To do so is to read OUR preconceptions into their era.
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