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On Shooting Taggers: Why Conservatives And Liberals Differ (Dennis Prager: Urban Scourge Alert)
Townhall.com ^ | 8/26/2008 | Dennis Prager

Posted on 08/25/2008 9:29:40 PM PDT by goldstategop

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To: Starwolf

I’m settin’ that up right now. The kids have been stayin’ off the streets by cuttin’ through backyards. I put in motion sensor lights in back yesterday. Thinkin’ about trip lines and disposable flash cameras for in front. I’d like to have the motion sensors set off an alarm. Shouldn’t be too hard to figure out.


41 posted on 08/25/2008 10:36:21 PM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ("Don't touch that thing")
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra
Thinkin’ about trip lines and disposable flash cameras for in front.

Better yet, get a game trail camera. Digital pictures with infrared flash. Trip wires are for booby traps.

42 posted on 08/25/2008 10:46:11 PM PDT by AlaskaErik (I served and protected my country for 31 years. Democrats spent that time trying to destroy it.)
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To: Redbob; umgud

I was hoping someone would bring up the rock salt in a shotgun idea. Beans may sting, but salt embedded under the skin BURNS!


43 posted on 08/25/2008 11:07:38 PM PDT by the_Watchman
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To: goldstategop
Tagging is more than just visual pollution or a means of the poor expressing themselves. I see tagging as a form of urban terrorism, a threat in a language that I can't nor do I want to understand.

I have watched taggers in action and have called the police. They are too fast for regular police enforcement. I have watched taggers come by foot, bike and car. Sometimes they work along or in a group. Their actions and times they hit property are too sporadic for stake outs. The most effective method would be to snipe the terror punks from the distant shadows. Open season on taggers would solve a problem that is costing the taxpayers millions but here in California there are so many gang members and their supporters that this type of activity would result in an escalation of violence and civil war. If your caught shooting and killing a gang member for tagging, the ACLU would make sure that you would go to the head of the line on death row.

44 posted on 08/26/2008 12:00:10 AM PDT by pterional
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To: goldstategop
I don't believe one has the right to kill another human being to protect property. Under any circumstances. I do believe however, short of that, we are entitled to use all the reasonable force necessary to defend property.

Graffiti thugs murder neighborhoods. Murderers don't deserve to live.

Maven
45 posted on 08/26/2008 12:01:57 AM PDT by Maven
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To: goldstategop
I don't believe one has the right to kill another human being to protect property.

Yeah, well your assumed 'Right' ain't going to stop my bullet. Better remember to tell your kids that not everyone believes like you do before they find out on their own.

46 posted on 08/26/2008 12:59:25 AM PDT by ME-262 (Nancy Pelosi is known to the state of CA to render Viagra ineffective causing reproductive harm.)
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To: goldstategop
No personal threat implied. Just a general warning that some of us don't always call the cops until after we've had a chance to settle things immediately. Usually the cops just end up trying to protect the Perps.
47 posted on 08/26/2008 1:10:35 AM PDT by ME-262 (Nancy Pelosi is known to the state of CA to render Viagra ineffective causing reproductive harm.)
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To: goldstategop

They do in Texas


48 posted on 08/26/2008 1:12:52 AM PDT by jospehm20
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To: goldstategop
I'm sorry, but as much as I dislike vandalism, I can't see myself shooting someone for graffiti. Perhaps if they misused a prepositional phrase or something? Nah, don't see it...
49 posted on 08/26/2008 2:47:07 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: goldstategop

Graffiti is one of the processes by which the social infrastructure of our society is destroyed, just as is racial tension, promiscuity, lawlessness, the assault on morality and pretty much everything the left supports, enjoys or engages in. Without all of these things they can not break down this country, and would not be able to rebuild it in the Stalinist mold they so worship. It is natural that they would support graffiti and abhor anyone who might try to stop it.


50 posted on 08/26/2008 2:51:26 AM PDT by wgflyer (Liberalism is to society what HIV is to the immune system.)
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To: goldstategop

To a liberal, beset with feeling of guilt, graffiti is Art, and a brave expression of downtrodden minorities. It is to be welcomed and encouraged, and even supported with taxpayer money.


51 posted on 08/26/2008 2:57:33 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (Five Year Plans and New Deals, wrapped in golden chains...)
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To: goldstategop

The graffiti started in my old neighborhood about a year before the daylight burglaries, car breakins and thefts and other vandalism started. Right about the same time taxes doubled on my “gentrified” old neighborhood, moving old residents out and 20-somthings in.

Graffiti is like an ad campaign that says, “we don’t look out for the neighborhood and you can get away with anything.”


52 posted on 08/26/2008 3:51:35 AM PDT by sbMKE
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To: goldstategop

I agree. Shoot ‘em.


53 posted on 08/26/2008 4:50:52 AM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: goldstategop
Sell licences and equip the pellet guns with gun cameras like fighter planes.

You have to get 5 seconds of video of them tagging and then it's legal to hit them in the ass.

And provide police as guides and escorts to protect the tagger bagger.

54 posted on 08/26/2008 5:09:00 AM PDT by Doctor Raoul (Fire the CIA and hire the Free Clinic, someone who knows how to stop leaks.)
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To: goldstategop
I don't believe one has the right to kill another human being to protect property. Under any circumstances. I do believe however, short of that, we are entitled to use all the reasonable force necessary to defend property.

Time to bring back tar-and-feathering.

55 posted on 08/26/2008 5:12:02 AM PDT by 6SJ7
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To: nathanbedford
Liberals do not take graffiti as a serious offense because it is an offense against property.

Change that to "other people's property". I know of no one on the left who would remain indifferent to, let alone welcome, the defacement of their own house or car.

56 posted on 08/26/2008 5:25:38 AM PDT by AustinBill (consequence is what makes our choices real)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra; ctdonath2; hiredhand; Squantos; NFHale; goldstategop
” Go buy a bucket of paint and cover the stuff up;”

Key word I imagine is "BUY"...

although lethal force is not something to be considered lightly, the fact remains that property = life, albeit small increment of life, but life nontheless...

so when someone destroys/steals a piece of my life, my options only include voluntary doubling of my damages by 'buying' the materials to cover suface damages and also spending more of my life at the labor to do so???...hardly...

that doesnt even touch a situation as Dr. B's where live trees had irreversible damage done, nor does it differentiate between the 'kids being kids' and the border markings of violent thug wannabes...

All that said, train yer kids to respect other peoples property lest they get shot by a hard working citizen and gilbo gets seated on the jury...

LFOD...

57 posted on 08/26/2008 5:34:09 AM PDT by Gilbo_3 ("JesusChrist 08"...Trust in the Lord......=...LiveFReeOr Die...)
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To: goldstategop
There is no need to debate this issue any further than to inquire whether the "liberal" who defends graffiti lives in a house whose walls are thus "decorated." And, even if so, if he is willing that anyone who comes along should redo the decoration to suit themselves at their every whim.

The reality is that graffiti is an announcement of lawlessness, and a denigration of the rights of others. The people who defend it are a bane on society, even as the perpetrators of it are.


58 posted on 08/26/2008 7:17:02 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (The conceit of journalistic objectivity is profoundly subversive of democratic principle.)
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To: eclecticEel

And Stocks! Go Colonial on their a**es. LOL.


59 posted on 08/26/2008 8:35:40 AM PDT by hawkboy
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To: Pelham; Gilbo_3; hiredhand; Squantos; Das Outsider; Jo Nuvark; goldstategop

“...They’re urban terrorists destroying my town....”

Agree totally. Watched my old neigborhood go - and it WASN’T from us (as kids).

Graffitti started cropping up as the dirt and druggers moved in, and the old city row-home neighborhood that I loved went to hell as the working class/middle class residents moved out.

Most of it was gangbanger tags, and other garbage from some “underprivileged” and “oppressed” types who just had to “express themselves” on other people’s property.

Then the small businesses moved out - the owners got tired of having to clean the tags off, repair the broken windows and retaliatory tagging, etc. Then the large businesses left.

And then the new underprivileged and oppressed residents complained that there was nowhere to work....and it was someone else’s fault (Whitey)...and the Thug mayor and Thug City Council had to raise taxes to pay for the additions to the welfare rolls, etc., etc., and said Thug mayor complains to his buddy, who is the Governor (and former mayor of the city) who promptly decides to try to push a tax increase through, blah blah blah....

Same old story, in any Democrat-controlled city.

But as for shooting? Well, to my mind it’s a little extreme, as I will not clear leather or otherwise brandish unless my LIFE, my family, or other innocent lives are directly threatened.

However, I DO advocate paintballing the buggers with Skunk-juice filled flourescent paintballs - something suitably nasty, longlasting and persistent, painful, and extremely disagreeable, so that it makes EASY for the police to find them...and easy for their parents to boot their a*ses out of the house because of the stench. And if they come back again for revenge, well, then escalation of force as necessary and warranted, because they are initiating the action, not you.

But again - you have to catch them in the act. Not that easy.

Prager - shoot them to wound???? Obviously, he has VERY limited experience with guns, gun laws, and gun handling...


60 posted on 08/26/2008 8:59:10 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By any means necessary.)
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