Posted on 08/23/2008 10:59:34 PM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
That's right. Estonia is just a horrible country. Look at all the terrible things they have done to others, unlike Russia and Germany.
Really? Do you read the Georgian news? I do, and I knew about it.
That is NOT what the report said.
Read it again.
The report also criticized the Georgian government, saying the use of drones over Abkhazia violated the separation of forces agreement and that “this kind of military intelligence-gathering is bound to be interpreted by the Abkhaz side as a precursor to a military operation, particularly in a period of tense relations between the two sides.” It noted that the United Nations had notified Georgia on April 7 that the drones violated the cease-fire agreement.
{note: The report does not state "Georgia provoking a confrontation with its neighbors in violation of international law" as you state.}
Officials in Abkhazia had claimed that the Abkhaz military had downed the drone with one of the de facto government's L-39 jets, a dated airframe with a single tail fin that is typically used for training and bears little resemblance to the jet seen on the video.
The report made clear that the United Nations did not accept the Abkhaz explanation and that Abkhazia refused to cooperate with investigators.
Where you posting from?
Russia?
"Georgia today said three Russian jets had entered its airspace and dropped bombs at two locations just south of a rebel enclave in the breakaway region of South Ossetia."
"Earlier in the week Tbilisi announced that direct talks were scheduled, but South Ossetian officials later said they would not participate..."
You would’ve heard more about it if Russia hadn’t launched a blitzkrieg on Georgia’s cyber resources starting in July. They wanted to cut them off from the rest of the world.
The Roki tunnel is only the half of it. A couple of months before this they fixed a rail line in Abkhazia so they could bring in more troops and armor. Probably why this Georgian surveillane drone was blown out of the sky by a Russian Mig: http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=BypnhFI7HGY
The United States needs to tread lightly in the North Caucuses. Did you know Uncle Joe was born in Gori?
If Georgia wishes to remain oriented toward the West (imo) its going to have to develop a pragmatic approach to its situation. This means reaching a negoiated settlement with Russia, Ossetia, and Abkhazia. Georgia (and Ukrane) may also have to settle for permenant junior status in NATO.
Both countries could add real value if they adopted a hybrid approach to their foreign policy, one that shows theri preference for the West but also recognizes geopolitical reality.
Yes, the Georgian drones violated the 1994 cease-fire agreement. For once we agree on the root cause of the problem.
Every single day, literally hundreds of news items show this to be false.
Comrade Schroeder. How does one invade their own country?
Unimaginable. We have some Western media all but apologetically rationalizing what the Russians did.
I'm 100% convinced that the enlightenment of man and the era of freedom will soon come to an end. Even here in America, the entire concept of freedom has become perverted to the point where all it means is an abortion on demand and the right to burn a flag or scream obscenities. When the concept of freedom has degenerated to nothing more than another buzz word hollowed out in it's meaning, when free nations no longer are willing to stand on each others side, when the average free man no longer sees a threat, or thinks his freedom is for granted, freedom will die. So grab your Che shirt, go burn a flag, and protest Iraq, but don't worry about what is happening in the Philippines, Thailand, Georgia............
Think about this, in 2008 we have US Presidential candidate running on a platform that more or less advocates socialism (Of course not called such) which runs completely against the most basic tenets of what our Founding Fathers wanted and envisioned, the most basic elements which keep a society free. You have a popular candidate who even uses the likeness of Che in his posters, and most Americans think it's cool, and the critical media, the watchdog of democracy as they like to see themselves as, completely ignores it while they beat their agenda and chase ratings. Stalin once said that a capitalist will sell you the rope with which you will hang him. Why are we doing trade with China today and looking the other way? Why will the West not really take any serious actions against Russia? Yes, ultimately Georgia will simply be sacrificed. Today the average free man is apathetic and irresponsible to his relationship with freedom the power of choice.
I truly believe that we will see an end to the rights and freedoms we today enjoy in my lifetime. Americans like many others will willfully surrender their freedoms because they don't even know what it means to be free anymore. Georgia, like the apathy for the cause of freedom in Iraq, or the candidates socialist agenda's..... these are signs, signs of a time that is far different than when men spoke of "Give me liberty, or give me death." Today's kids grow up knowing who Malcolm X was, but wouldn't be able to point out Patrick Henry in a line up. In such an ignorant mess of fools who think they are rich because they have chrome spinners, do you really think then when push comes to shove they will stand by Georgia? Like the Germans who quickly forgot our devoted support of 50 years and benevolence after WWII, they after 911 backpedaled as quickly as possible out of any and all responsibilities and their efforts to help us and democratize Afghanistan is token. The West at large is doomed, and not because of AL Gores Global Warming.
Yes, those virulent German ideologies, pronouncing the death of God and replace Him with Uberman or Ubermans. Looks idealistic and romantic on the surface, but underneath dehumanizing, destructive, and ruthless. They dismantle existing social structure and culture, leaving inhuman bureaucracy, a far inferior substitute.
Putin's Kremlin has crossed the line of no return.
Mac, I do not understand, you always stood for freedom, what gives with defending the likes of those intent to reestablished the old Soviet Empire. Those who arm and support communist Cuba, Hugo Chavez, the Assad clan of Syria and the terrorists controlling Iran -- responsible for murdering our troops in Iraq and Afghanistan?
If the American voter foolishly allows the leftist Obama crowd to gain control of America and our armed forces your statement shall be more than true. The tyrants of Russia and their anti-Western confederates shall be the victors, under a Obama régime.
Georgia is only the first victim of neo-Soviet aggression.
Hey, if you've got time tell me what you think happened to Zurab Zhvania.
In terms of the Putin régime, Estonia was Putin's first external victim. The Kremlin sent pro-Putin NASHI street thugs into Tallinn, crazed on vodka & drugs and these Russian savages rampaged, rioted and looted.
The Kremlin also hacked Estonia's national Internet infrastructure (the same with Georgia's). The pre-planned Russian bullying of Estonia was greatly covered on FR, with scores of photo documentation (some are below).
President Reagan, if still alive today, would likely state the Evil Empire was sleeping for a while and have reverted to their evil old methods Moscow utilized during and after the War, then again in 1953, 1956, 1968 and on & on.
Putin and his hand picked cronies have been supporting and arming the absolutely most vile, rouge totalitarian dictatorships, either communist or radical Islamic, coupled with vetoing any U.N. Security Council UN votes countering those anti-Western rouge states. (It's tantamount to having North Korea or the Nazis on the Security Council with veto power--madness!) Each and every one of those Russian supported régimes are rabidly anti-American, anti-Israeli and anti-freedom.
Georgia is a prime example of another move southward for the Russian empire and crushing any nation in the way. It's so happens Georgia's president & government is pro-Western and grasped the Russian threat, which has become a very grim reality. Russia under the totalitarian Putin mafia is the enemy of the free world -- and must be treated as a direct threat now, while there is still time.
Ah, another Russophile emerges. So, why do you so admire Nigeria-with-white-people-and-nukes?
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