Posted on 08/23/2008 3:15:06 AM PDT by rhema
As long as God rules supreme over Heaven and Earth, the majority of people will recognize his authority and at the very least, show respect for it in public life.
And truly, if secularist here haven't been touched by the spirit, that's their business. I won't however, be pursuaded to abandon my faith in favor of respecting their beliefs.
And don't call for me when he shows up at your door some dark night:
Chrissy Matthews was on a similar toot on PMSNBC last nite. He railed against the idea that candidates might be asked questions about the moral aspects of their lives and their belief systems. Chrissy sounded just like the guy in this article. Maybe Chrissy read this guy’s article and was parroting him. Maybe. But it was funny to watch Chrissy hop up on his high horse about this, as the real reason his nose was in a snit was because his guy, Obama, got creamed by McCain at Saddleback. That’s why there is all this outrage. If Obama would have done well, then it would have been a hunky dory debate, but he didn’t, so now the “moral” outrage of Chrissy and the Libs at the line of questioning by Warren at Saddleback. Funny, these libs. They are so obvious.
Good article. I think “secularists” are just in a fluff because B.O. came off looking like a Marxist Death Eater.
In the Saddleback interviews, questions were asked that required both candidates to dig deep and come up with answers, not just related to foreign and domestic policy, but answers that give us, the voters, the CRITERIA by which they would make important Presidential decisions. The interview was most valuable and gave voters info they would never have gotten anywhere else.
I think that is what has them upset.
That's why the heathen are raging: they saw Obama dig deep and come up with . . . platitudes, evasions, and obfuscations.
The secularists' messiah is revealed as Bromide Personified.
Suffice it to say that I was not very hopeful about the Saddleback Civil Forum on the Presidency held at the California megachurch last Saturday night. In the first place, I am not really comfortable with the idea of hosting such a politically charged event in a church. )
Why be uncomfortable? Where do you think the first political meetings our ancestor had were held? In the Civic Center? No they held them in the churches and the schools. The only places vailable to them. They saw no problemk with it and neither do I. Just because I beleive in God does not mean that I should be excluded from the conversation. In fact the CONSTITUION specifically forbids the Government from doing so.
Therein lies the problem: you're referring to the actual Constitution; too many activist judges spend their careers discovering "rights" in the penumbras and emanations of the "living" Constitution.
“I am not really comfortable with the idea of hosting such a politically charged event in a church.”
Yeah, right. Just up the street from me is St. John’s Church, where Patrick Henry gave his “give me liberty or give me death” speech.
ping for later read
Ahhh so the event was very productive and civil but just can't get past that stigma of being church-related ay? Well church members are also tax-paying, productive members of society too. Rick Warren functioned like a true pro journalist would if there were any in America that is.
These are EXACTLY the types of questions that need to be asked.
Integrity, morality, and one's beliefs are the core of the person. Elect the wrong core and the whole country rots.
leftists lose when their beliefs are exposed to the public
that’s the basis of the outrage.
**But, not everyone is pleased. Writing in the editorial pages of USA Today, columnist DeWayne Wickham complained that the event was too overtly Christian. “What we need in the White House is a devout believer in this nation’s democratic principles, not the vicar of Saddleback,” he asserted.**
I wonder what Mr. Wickham thinks the main religion choice of most Americans is?
At least they got the picture right - they put Obama on the left.
There is a phenomenon, well defined in human Psychology, called projection. David Axelrod, Obama's professional people manipulator/creator and handler has sought to fabricate a vague screen upon which voters can project what they think they want in a leader. Rick Warren removed the 'vague' to reveal some of the actual under the 'veil of vague' Axelrod has skillfully fabricated.
What Rick Warren did so naturally is precisely what a skilled Pastor does in his non-pulpit time, he deals with the real human nature he is able to expose via personalize questioning. And Obama was left exposed for the secular Marxist he is, which is maddening to those who have so embraced their own projections onto the vague screen of Axelrod's construction. Once that dose of reality settles in, Obama will not even get the moderate votes because he is first a carefully constructed 'non-person' and second a supporter of abortion on demand, Marxist wealth redistribution through heavy taxation, and a man uncomfortable with America's status as world leader for improving human conditions through a capitalist approach protected by a strong standing military.
In simpler terms, Rick Warren exposed the real Barack Obama which shattered the false image Axelrod has encouraged people to fabricate personally in their yearning minds. Warren popped Axelrod's fancy balloon, revealing the real Obama who is not so pretty to confront.
What Rick Warren did inadvertently for McCain was expose the human side of a man perhaps ready to lead, and lead not by the wet finger in the wind methodology the media and pollsters have insisted is 'the American way' but by relying upon his internalized values, the values Rick Warren exposed for us during that golden hour.
BTW, rhema, thanks so much for the ping and opportunity to offer this different perspective. I was genuinely surprised and pleased with Rick Warren's masterful work in that venue. America can be the better for such an effort.
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