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Poland: once bitten, twice shy
guardian.co.uk ^ | Thursday August 21 2008 | Kamil Tchorek

Posted on 08/21/2008 12:09:41 PM PDT by lizol

Poland: once bitten, twice shy

Poles have suddenly changed their minds about the US missile shield. Georgia has reawakened their fear of Russian aggression

Kamil Tchorek

Surveys show Polish public opinion has rapidly shifted from wariness about hosting the US missile shield to outright enthusiasm. The reason is simple. Russia conducted a devastating counterattack against Georgia this month, and Poles are convinced the time for treading softly around the Russian bear has passed.

Every Polish family has a compelling story about its role in history: stories of war, rebellion and defiance. By comparison to the average Brit, the average Pole is obsessed with the past and how it shapes the present.

The first wave of Polish immigration to the UK took place at the end of the second world war, when an estimated 200,000 Poles were given British citizenship, one way or another, because of Kremlin foreign policy.

Many had been deported by Russian troops from eastern Poland to Siberian concentration camps when the Nazis and Soviets were allied with each other at the start of the war. When the Soviets changed sides and allied with the British, the Poles were released and formed the "Anders army", which trekked from Siberia to Iran to join the British army for the north Africa and Italy campaigns.

These Polish war veterans couldn't return to their country at the end of the war, because it had been taken by Stalin at Yalta. Those naive enough to return faced imprisonment or death. The rest formed the Polish communities in Hammersmith, Ealing and elsewhere, that have given hope to Polish migrants ever since.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: antimissiledefense; georgia; missiledefense; poland; russia

1 posted on 08/21/2008 12:09:42 PM PDT by lizol
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To: lizol

If anyone is justified in distrusting the Russians, it’s the Poles, and the Russians richly deserve it.


2 posted on 08/21/2008 12:13:31 PM PDT by Spok (Whatever you say about McCain, it must be admitted that he's no B. Hussein Obama.)
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To: lizol

I commend the Polish government and people for their willingness to stand up to Russia. I hope the US/EU/NATO will stand by them if/when they are attacked by the Russians.


3 posted on 08/21/2008 12:14:21 PM PDT by wk4bush2004
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To: lizol
The rest formed the Polish communities in Hammersmith, Ealing and elsewhere, that have given hope to Polish migrants ever since.

"elsewhere" like Chicago where we have a larger Polish population than Krakow.

L

4 posted on 08/21/2008 12:15:11 PM PDT by Lurker (Islam is an insane death cult. Any other aspects are PR to get them within throat-cutting range.)
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To: lizol
Russia conducted a devastating counterattack against Georgia this month

Subtle bias alert... Did I miss the part where Georgia attacked Russia? You can't counterattack unless you've been attacked.
5 posted on 08/21/2008 12:18:44 PM PDT by Daus
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To: lizol
Since we moved our military out of the EU it looks as if the Europeans will once again do their frequent and historical significant fighting as the Russians want to rule as did the Nazi, French, English and others ever since Rome was devastated.

Keeping over 300,000 troops in Europe (for over 50 years)assured that they would see the longest peace in history, since Rome. But we reduced our Military and it seems the Europeans are back in full thrust.

6 posted on 08/21/2008 12:19:57 PM PDT by YOUGOTIT (The Greatest Threat to our Security is the Royal 100 Club)
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To: Spok

My 88 y.o. German mother has many horror stories about the Russians....


7 posted on 08/21/2008 12:21:28 PM PDT by griswold3 (Al qaeda is guilty of hirabah (war against society) Penalty is death.)
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To: Daus
Subtle bias alert... Did I miss the part where Georgia attacked Russia? You can't counterattack unless you've been attacked.

C'mon, it's the Guardian.

8 posted on 08/21/2008 12:22:42 PM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (Happiness is a choice!)
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To: lizol

The Poles are an amazing people. I am so impressed by their courage and integrity. They are an inspiration for all of us.


9 posted on 08/21/2008 12:23:03 PM PDT by MarMema (Georgia has stood for freedom around the world -- now the world must stand for freedom in Georgia.)
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To: griswold3

Some of the German-haters will be here shortly to say your mother deserved to be gang-raped and murdered by the glorious Red Army. Count on it.


10 posted on 08/21/2008 12:23:21 PM PDT by ozzymandus
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11 posted on 08/21/2008 12:26:22 PM PDT by lizol
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To: YOUGOTIT
Keeping over 300,000 troops in Europe (for over 50 years)assured that they would see the longest peace in history, since Rome. But we reduced our Military and it seems the Europeans are back in full thrust.

Yep, 1000-year grudges, societal little man syndrome, recreational ethnic cleansing, cynical nihilism and chronic wastrelism...it's like a theme park of dysfunction. It's like Africa on speed and anabolic steroids.

12 posted on 08/21/2008 12:27:41 PM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (Happiness is a choice!)
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To: Daus

Georgia is a dagger aimed at the heart of Russia.


13 posted on 08/21/2008 12:30:15 PM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (His Negritude has made his negritude the central theme of this campaign)
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To: ozzymandus; griswold3
German-haters will be here shortly to say your mother deserved to be gang-raped and murdered by the glorious Red Army.

No, few people deserved the fates that befell them during the Second World War. However, the Russians could legitimately be said to have been inflamed by German behavior in Russia.

A. J. Leibling, reporting from post war Berlin, described the Red Army as a mob, poorly organized and almost completely undisciplined except in the most rudimentary and brutish way.

14 posted on 08/21/2008 12:37:27 PM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (His Negritude has made his negritude the central theme of this campaign)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

Very little different from the Russian army rampaging in Georgia today.


15 posted on 08/21/2008 12:40:52 PM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: ozzymandus
No, the Russians of 1945 were much, much worse. Poorly educated peasants, inflamed by nationalism and five years of a brutal genocidal war.

Today's Russians chaff at their loss of status as the world's bogeyman but most of them probably just want to have quiet life. Putin's a cretin.

16 posted on 08/21/2008 12:48:02 PM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (His Negritude has made his negritude the central theme of this campaign)
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To: lizol

Having a would-be invader on your borders tends to change your priorities.


17 posted on 08/21/2008 1:34:49 PM PDT by DesScorp
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