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Fed Gov't Finds Fires Took Down WTC 7 Building - Report Refutes Conspiracy Theories That........
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Posted on 08/21/2008 9:02:29 AM PDT by Sub-Driver

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To: TheBattman

Oh good grief!


41 posted on 08/21/2008 11:14:57 AM PDT by beckysueb (Drill here! Drill now!)
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To: Sub-Driver

I still believe the Grays burned it down, because that was where they make humans into Bigfoots(just what is the plural of bigfoot...bigfeet?).

That is my theory and I am sticking to it.


42 posted on 08/21/2008 11:23:40 AM PDT by razorback-bert (Earth First...we will drill the other planets later.)
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To: SJSAMPLE
Does anybody think a "truther" is gonna care that a government report refutes their claims?

Maybe they should all get a clue!

43 posted on 08/21/2008 11:35:13 AM PDT by uglybiker (I do not suffer from mental illness. I quite enjoy it, actually.)
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To: TheBattman
Including the fact that the collapse of the tower actually happened AFTER it was announced it had collapsed...

Interesting "fact". Got any way to substantiate it? Are you sure you're not confusing the fact that officials stated that the building definitely was GOING to collapse? They knew based on the intensity of the fire that the collapse was imminent, though they didn't know exactly when.

I remember this quite clearly, as I watched the coverage live on 9/11, and saw the building collapse live at around 5 pm (or whatever time it was). When it did finally fall, they had been talking about it and anticipating it for hours.

I also remember that there was some concern that the deep holes beneath the WTC towers (with their "bathtub" design) might collapse inward, resulting in destabalization of the ground around them, which might in turn cause neighboring structures to fail.

44 posted on 08/21/2008 11:39:39 AM PDT by Sicon ("Some pigs are more equal than others.")
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To: TheBattman
There are some interesting bits of info on tower 7... Including the fact that the collapse of the tower actually happened AFTER it was announced it had collapsed...

Jeez, I can't believe people are still bringing up this crap.

The infamous "BBC Report" was debunked YEARS ago:

With the lack of even the smallest amount of hard evidence supporting their stories, conspiracy theorists have become more desperate to find anything which could be twisted to support them. Case in point: The WTC 7 was seen in the background of a BBC report while the reporter said the building had already collapsed. The story is that the reporters were given a "script" to say and these reporters stupidly read the lines before the building fell. Plain old common sense can dispatch this conspiracy story.

Why do they choose to believe the more unlikely conspiracy story which suggests that at least some reporters of some news organizations were given a script? Especially when, much more logically, miscommunication could easily explain the video.

Why in the WORLD would they need to give the reporters a head's up??? Why wouldn't they just blow the building up and let them report the collapse as they would have normally?

What most likely, logically happened: While investigating and updating information on the collapse of the towers, someone at the BBC was given a report/press release that building 7 was going to collapse. [Edit: we now know they were monitoring the news from different outlets and that's where they learned of building 7.] According to the fire department, by 2:00PM they knew the building would soon collapse. Reporters KNEW this well before the collapse because there are videos of reporters talking about it before it happened. So we KNOW reporters were given information on WTC 7's imminent demise. We can conclude from this evidence that the fire department relayed information to reporters that the building was going to collapse. By the time the report reached the reporter at the BBC, it may have simply been miscommunicated from "About to collapse" to "Has collapsed". She even starts out by saying "Details are very, very sketchy". That alone should put this to rest. She didn't say 'Sketchy'. She didn't say 'very sketchy'. She said "very, very sketchy".

http://www.debunking911.com/pull.htm

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/theeditors/2007/02/part_of_the_conspiracy.html

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/theeditors/2007/03/part_of_the_conspiracy_2.html

45 posted on 08/21/2008 11:42:19 AM PDT by GunRunner
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To: GunRunner
Trutherism is a quasi-religion.

You are so right; I know a Truther, and their beliefs are totally Faith-Based. The brainwashing they have absorbed leaves them as deluded as any cult member.

46 posted on 08/21/2008 11:44:13 AM PDT by Kitty Mittens (To God Be All Excellent Praise!!)
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To: Sub-Driver

bump


47 posted on 08/21/2008 11:45:48 AM PDT by VOA
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To: Sub-Driver

The mere fact they call themselves “truthers” suggests a child’s mind.


48 posted on 08/21/2008 11:46:09 AM PDT by CodeToad
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To: AU72

I’m not interested in the truthers’ theories. I found this part of the FAQ to be an eye-opener:

Does this mean there are hundreds or thousands of unsafe tall buildings with long span supports that must be retrofitted in some way? How would you retrofit a building to prevent this problem?
While the partial or total collapse of a tall building due to fires is a rare event, NIST strongly urges building owners, operators, and designers to evaluate buildings to ensure the adequate fire performance of structural systems. Of particular concern are the effects of thermal expansion in buildings with one or more of the following characteristics: long-span floor systems, connections that cannot accommodate thermal effects, floor framing that induces asymmetric forces on girders, and composite floor systems, whose shear studs could fail due to differential thermal expansion (i.e., heat-induced expansion of material at different rates). Engineers should be able to design cost-effective fixes to address any areas of concern identified by such evaluations.


49 posted on 08/21/2008 12:04:04 PM PDT by Pudding Biafra (Because "Jello" was already taken.)
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To: Kitty Mittens
You are so right; I know a Truther, and their beliefs are totally Faith-Based.

I have a friend who is a Truther too. We got so heated in our discussions of it that we don't talk about it anymore. I haven't mentioned it him in a year, so I don't know if he still holds the same beliefs.

He's an extremely smart guy, and doesn't even believe in the Kennedy assasination conspiracy, which is strange. I personally believe Oswald acted alone, but I find the Kennedy assasination theories much more plausible than anything is Trutherland.

50 posted on 08/21/2008 12:15:54 PM PDT by GunRunner
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To: AdmSmith; Berosus; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; george76; ...

Paulistinians deeply saddened.


51 posted on 08/21/2008 12:24:52 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Tagline? What's a tagline?)
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To: AU72

No, the 9-11 naysayers won’t be placated and here’s why: the government has not been truthful on other incidents, so why should anyone believe them?

Anything the government does in the way of an investigation will be tainted by politics. That’s just a fact.


52 posted on 08/21/2008 1:26:20 PM PDT by SatinDoll (Desperately desiring a conservative government.)
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To: AU72

Not even close. Their whole argument is based on the premise that fire cannot melt steel. Even though they use fire to make steel and had to use Ceramic composite to protect the space shuttle not steel.


53 posted on 08/21/2008 5:25:43 PM PDT by omega4179 (B.Hussein Keep the change!)
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To: Always Right

They say the plane was crashed into the ocean by Cheneys remote control and a missile was sent in to do the job.


54 posted on 08/21/2008 5:26:35 PM PDT by omega4179 (B.Hussein Keep the change!)
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To: Sub-Driver

7 years to release this conclusion?

And the people want the government to decide whether they need chemo or not?


55 posted on 08/21/2008 5:28:18 PM PDT by Glenn (Free Venezuela!)
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To: GunRunner
I personally believe Oswald acted alone, but I find the Kennedy assasination theories much more plausible than anything is Trutherland.

That is how I feel, too. I have been recently studying the Truthers and their beliefs in an effort to help the person I know who is mired in those falsehoods, and some of the things they believe are so bizarre that it's just beyond words. :(

56 posted on 08/21/2008 9:26:49 PM PDT by Kitty Mittens (To God Be All Excellent Praise!!)
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To: reagan_fanatic

This is great!


57 posted on 08/22/2008 2:35:09 AM PDT by endthematrix (Congress, Get Off Your Gas, And Drill!)
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To: Sub-Driver

Troothers are deeply saddened...


58 posted on 08/22/2008 5:30:30 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Drill Here! Drill Now! Pay Less! Sign the petition at http://www.americansolutions.com/)
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To: Mr. Silverback
the flight log is “obviously” forged as part of the government UFO conspiracy.

Your post is obviously forged. I don't believe it for a minute.

59 posted on 08/22/2008 12:42:57 PM PDT by Tennessee_Bob (A prayer's as good as bayonet on a day like this.)
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To: Tennessee_Bob

Dang, Bob - you’re a thread killer.


60 posted on 08/22/2008 2:01:40 PM PDT by Tennessee_Bob (A prayer's as good as bayonet on a day like this.)
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