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To: TigersEye
Georgia launched a massive attack on civilian areas of South Ossetia...

It's good to see you admit that!

... Russian "peace keepers" and S. Ossetian separatist militia forces were launching attacks into Georgian towns outside the Ossetian border...

That's a new one. Did you just think it up? Source?

... harrassing and killing ethnic Georgians living in the Ossetian region.

It would appear that that is true, but Georgians were in turn harrassing and killing south Ossetians.

But what did Saakashvili say about all this in his speech on Georgian TV?

I would like to directly address those people who are at this moment shooting peaceful civilians and Georgian police forces.

You have been shooting during the last several days and especially in the last several hours.

I want to declare with full responsibility and confess that several hours ago, in my capacity as Commander in Chief of Georgia, I issued a very painful order directing all Georgian police forces and other units under our control not to return fire, even if they face intensive bombing.

...

I have been proposing and I am proposing Russia act as a guarantor of South Ossetian autonomy within Georgia [I guess they did!].

Rather than sticking to his words, he launched a brutal preplanned attack on civilian areas. Had he wanted to stop South Ossetians from firing on Georgian villages, he could have ordered Georgian forces to engage in suppressive fire and counterbattery fire.

Saakasvili's immature attack went against the wishes of the United States! Everything flowed from that decision! Are we better off because of it? is the BTC pipeline more secure?

22 posted on 08/21/2008 10:40:21 AM PDT by F-117A (Ne nuntium necare)
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To: F-117A
I have been proposing and I am proposing Russia act as a guarantor of South Ossetian autonomy within Georgia [I guess they did!].

No, they didn't. You missed the "within Georgia" part. Russia is trying to make South Ossetia a separate entity outside of Georgia.

26 posted on 08/21/2008 10:55:34 AM PDT by HAL9000 ("No one made you run for president, girl."- Bill Clinton)
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To: F-117A
It's good to see you admit that!

That is a stupid thing to say. No one has ever questioned that.

TE: ... Russian "peace keepers" and S. Ossetian separatist militia forces were launching attacks into Georgian towns outside the Ossetian border...

That's a new one. Did you just think it up? Source?

Russia Blames the Victim

Saakashvili’s Televised Address on S.Ossetia

Timeline of Events - Russians Invasion & Occupation of Georgia

RUSSIA GOES ROGUE

New Shootout on Georgia’s Border, Ossetia Suffers Losses

Tbilisi says attempt made to kill Georgian official in S. Ossetia 03/ 07/ 2008

Russias On Edge Of South Ossetia Capital

33 posted on 08/21/2008 11:25:21 AM PDT by TigersEye (Berlin '36, Moscow '80, Beijing '08 ... Olympic games for murdering regimes.)
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To: F-117A
That's a new one. Did you just think it up? Source?

Another source for you...

Interviewee (I): Andrei Illarionov, former economic adviser to Putin

if we are to speak when the war started, we can determine not from Russian side, not from Georgian side, but statements made by South Ossetian representatives about beginning of war [(hostilities)] and were voiced on August 4, repeatedly, on [or about] August 3, 4 and 5 there turned out quite large number of people in Tskhinvali, that had never been there before, who were reporting that they had arrived there to participate in the war.

I: whatever concerns use of [these systems], there is a large amount of information about the fact that evidently, both side were using [these systems]; from Ossetian side heavy artillery was also used, which was prohibited and should not have been there. From these far range artillery there was a shelling of Georgian position during one week, from August 1 to August 7. [] and our task now is to determine by what means far range artillery, heavy artillery, which is prohibited in the conflict zone, ended up there and what role Russian peacekeepers played in this and how they permitted this to happen.

I:[] Upon entering troops of Russia into Georgia the provision of the Constitution of Russia was violated, as there was no consent of Federation Council. And even now, after passing how many, 12 days, from the date when official Russian government is counting days, there is no decision of the Federation Council on this issue. [] this is a breach of UN Charter, Russia, for the first time [] after December of 79 ended up being an aggressor irrespective of what [actions were taken by the other side].


38 posted on 08/21/2008 11:57:41 AM PDT by TigersEye (Berlin '36, Moscow '80, Beijing '08 ... Olympic games for murdering regimes.)
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