Posted on 08/20/2008 7:12:04 AM PDT by T-Bird45
That's the way law was practiced in Europe for a long time - the state makes an accusation against someone and if they can't prove their innocence they are guilty. The burden of proof is entirely on the accused, and not the prosecution. A very handy tool for dictators and totalitarian kings. Russia filled up the gulags with this little trick.
You know, sometimes when I run across people like you, I wonder about what the country would be like if a Josef Stalin were to be elected president.
The country would divide like Russia did. Dissidents, and bureaucrats.
I bet you’d find a fine job in the Justice Department and be pretty damn impressed with yourself and how efficiently you could keep order with unlimited police powers.
Did you read what was written? Nothing written said or even implied that everyone was guilty until they prove their innocence. You are putting up a strawman then arguing against it.
Except if a guy from out of state with the Beemer is the guilty party. . .you won’t find him.
Search PUBLIC records all you want. Private records are another thing entirely. . .
In your extremist fantasy land I am sure you run across all sorts of villians. All you need is to see is one item that sets you off into a frenzy so you can rant on and on about big gubmint, statism and abuse.
Ciao...
Try telling that the the police when they demand you come down and let them 'investigate' your handgun! LOL.
Why don't you demand proof behind the cops' assumption that anyone who bought a 40cal gun in that locale is a suspect for the crime?
Go ahead, shoot yourself in the foot again. I luv it.
Exactly...in yesterdays discussion there was at least one person who seemed to think that wasn’t the case. In fact its common practice for the ATF to photocopy 4473s for non-PC weapons. Those go back to the office and Im sure into a larger (illegal) database.
One note...I thought 4473 inspection was limited to the ATF. I didnt think it was OK for local/state LE to look at them w/o the ATF sign-off.
Maybe not. Should that possibility be the reason why you don’t look at BMW owners though? If all they are going to do is look at BMW owners then the investigation is shoddy.
Would you still sue if it were your little girls that had been murdered?
That’s what I thought.
That’s the whole point. It narrows the pool of suspects. While the owners have every right to refuse, the cops also have every right to ask for voluntary co-operation.
For myself, I’m conflicted about what I would do if placed in this situation. You want to see a killer brought to justice, but why should owning a gun make you a suspect?
It’s called police work, genius.
Glocks leave a distinct impression on the shell casing. Don’t make the leap to Stalin-esque secret police proceedings.
If it were your kids that were murdered, would you feel the same way?
Get off your high horse and get your head out of your arse.
But I don’t have to without a warrant. They can ask, I don’t have to comply. They can look at me all they want but without that court order they have nothing. I have never said that a person should waive their rights or be denied them.
It’s called an investigation. Are you paranoid or just dumb?
Quick, run to the window! The black helicopters are landing in your yard!
Would you be “conflicted” if you were the parents of one of those kids?
Carolyn
Your point, though subtly made, is a good one. A ballistic non-match doesn’t really exclude anything when the weapon in question is a pistol. It is too easy to swap out a barrel.
What if:
-Someone stole my gun, used it for the killing, and put it back in my car?
-Bullets fired from my gun are ‘identical enough’?
-What if the evidence gets mixed up and I fry because of it?
-What if the a detective thinks I did it, and messes with the evidence?
Here’s a GREAT video about why you should never talk to the cops by a University professor. There is a part II as well:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8z7NC5sgik&feature=related
Yes. I read what was written, and comprehended it.. Did you?
This says that if I bought a 40cal legally and am on that list, then I am a SUSPECT with the burden to take action to convince the government that I did not murder someone.
No thanks. I am not a murderer. And I do not want my name to be Richard Jewell.
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