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Amateurs Outdoing Professionals (Thomas Sowell)
Creators Syndicate ^ | August 19, 2008 | Thomas Sowell

Posted on 08/19/2008 1:01:58 PM PDT by jazusamo

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To: day10
IBTP!

Commendable success!

61 posted on 08/19/2008 5:21:46 PM PDT by higgmeister (In the Shadow of The Big Chicken!)
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To: jazusamo

A few years ago here in Wisconsin a home-schooled kid won the national spelling bee. A Wisconsin paper then interviewed a Wisconsin public high school teacher for his reaction. He sneered that someone memorizing a bunch of words didn’t prove anything. You can bet that if it was one of his students, the school would probably have erected a statue of the student. After reading the teacher’s comments, I would have loved to kick him right where the sun doesn’t shine.


62 posted on 08/19/2008 5:25:43 PM PDT by driftless2
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To: Cyman
"O'Neill"

Or Cher.

63 posted on 08/19/2008 5:27:55 PM PDT by driftless2
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To: Sgt_Schultze
"this man"

Einstein proves Sowell's observation that geniuses in one area are not too bright in others. Einstein thought socialism was the wave of the future. He was obviously dead wrong.

64 posted on 08/19/2008 5:33:28 PM PDT by driftless2
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To: driftless2

That’s where he deserves to be kicked. He and those like him are the reason good teachers are slandered.


65 posted on 08/19/2008 5:34:53 PM PDT by jazusamo (DefendOurMarines.org | DefendOurTroops.org)
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To: ladyjane
Many kids in the government schools, on the other hand, have absent and/or unmotivated parents.

And those kids spread their malaise and suck up resources better used for more deserving students.

66 posted on 08/19/2008 5:42:12 PM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (Happiness is a choice!)
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To: jazusamo

Sowell’s cheeks have 20/20 vision ;)


67 posted on 08/19/2008 5:44:04 PM PDT by Treeless Branch
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To: jazusamo

Another “home run” by Thomas Sowell!

Incidentally, central planners setting 24 million prices is not exactly unique to the Soviet Union. The US tried something similar to this with Franklin D. Roosevelt’s NRA c. 1933, which was so heavily pushed that parades were staged to publicize and promote it. Fortunately, it was struck down by the SCOTUS a few years later and hasn’t been revived in that particular form since, although government price controls have been implemented from time to time since then.


68 posted on 08/19/2008 5:46:10 PM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: Yaelle

Homeschooling ping!!!


69 posted on 08/19/2008 5:47:20 PM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: SBprone

: )


70 posted on 08/19/2008 5:47:33 PM PDT by cornelis
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To: justiceseeker93

Thanks J, that’s interesting. I wasn’t aware of that but then there’s much I’m not aware of. :)


71 posted on 08/19/2008 5:50:55 PM PDT by jazusamo (DefendOurMarines.org | DefendOurTroops.org)
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To: driftless2
A few years ago here in Wisconsin a home-schooled kid won the national spelling bee.

I remember reading an article about a small school in Illinois that had the best test scores in the state. The principle was asked how they did it. He answered something to the effect that their budget would only pay for teaching of reading, writing, and arithmetic..

72 posted on 08/19/2008 6:14:10 PM PDT by EVO X
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To: day10
Sowell rules!

Ditto!

73 posted on 08/19/2008 6:19:45 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist (I will stand with the Muslims ~B Hussein Obomunist ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Verito Possumus~Verified Sleeper!)
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To: jazusamo
Nevertheless, we continue to take seriously the pretensions of educators who fail to educate, but who put on airs of having "professional" expertise beyond the understanding of mere parents.

Because we've been public-schooled, and can't seem to imagine anything different. Plus there's the free baby-sitting angle. Other than that, I'm at a loss.

74 posted on 08/19/2008 7:24:25 PM PDT by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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To: RobRoy

Fred is just brutal. And he has seen it up close and personal. He used to do the DC beat as a reporter, did a lot of cop ride-alongs, that sort of thing.


75 posted on 08/19/2008 7:43:38 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Obama: Carter's only chance to avoid going down in history as the worst U.S. president ever.)
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To: According2RecentPollsAirIsGood; Alia; jazusamo; Skenderbej; fr_freak; Joe 6-pack
Surgeons succeed because they stick to surgery. But if we were to put surgeons in control of commodity speculation, criminal justice and rocket science, they would probably fail as disastrously as central planners.
Then there's Thomas Sowell, who actually does display brilliant logic and understanding of a wide variety of things in life, but would be the first person to admit he doesn't know everything. I'd be tempted to disagree with him, though, because I sometimes wonder if there's anything the man doesn't know or isn't right about.
There is an ironic comment to the effect that "if a man talks about his honor and a woman talks about her virtue, shun the former and cultivate the latter." I can't seem to google it up, but . . .

We consider Sowell to be sagacious. The irony is that we would not have the same attitude if in fact he went around claiming to be wise:

sophist
1542, earlier sophister (c.1380), from L. sophista, sophistes, from Gk. sophistes, from sophizesthai "to become wise or learned," from sophos "wise, clever," of unknown origin. Gk. sophistes came to mean "one who gives intellectual instruction for pay," and, contrasted with "philosopher," it became a term of contempt. Ancient sophists were famous for their clever, specious arguments.
philosopher
O.E. philosophe, from L. philosophus, from Gk. philosophos "philosopher," lit. "lover of wisdom," from philos "loving" + sophos "wise, a sage."

"Pythagoras was the first who called himself philosophos, instead of sophos, 'wise man,' since this latter term was suggestive of immodesty." [Klein]

Modern form with -r appears c.1325, from an Anglo-Fr. or O.Fr. variant of philosophe, with an agent-noun ending. . . .

In fact I would almost go so far as to say that Americans who call themselves "conservative" are actually "philosophers" in the etymological sense given above - and that journalists and those whom journalists call "liberal" are sophists. Certainly, "liberals" are recognizable as Theodore Roosevelt's "critics":
There is no more unhealthy being, no man less worthy of respect, than he who either really holds, or feigns to hold, an attitude of sneering disbelief toward all that is great and lofty, whether in achievement or in that noble effort which, even if it fails, comes to second achievement. A cynical habit of thought and speech, a readiness to criticise work which the critic himself never tries to perform, an intellectual aloofness which will not accept contact with life's realities - all these are marks, not as the possessor would fain to think, of superiority but of weakness. They mark the men unfit to bear their part painfully in the stern strife of living, who seek, in the affection of contempt for the achievements of others, to hide from others and from themselves in their own weakness. The rôle is easy; there is none easier, save only the rôle of the man who sneers alike at both criticism and performance.

It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds . . .  

Theodore Roosevelt's 1911 speech at the Sorbonne

76 posted on 08/20/2008 4:24:54 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (The conceit of journalistic objectivity is profoundly subversive of democratic principle.)
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion
Thank you. I really needed to read what you posted, this morning:

It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds . . .

Theodore Roosevelt's 1911 speech at the Sorbonne

And also thanks to you, I have a much better understanding of the differences between sophistry and philosophy.

Sophists: Ancient sophists were famous for their clever, specious arguments.

Philosophers: "lover of wisdom,"

77 posted on 08/20/2008 4:38:04 AM PDT by Alia
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To: SBprone
I think I understand what you mean about the "weirdness" factor in homeschooling kids. It is a truly remarkable and wonderful thing that I came to grips with in the early 90s. What you are seeing in homeschooling kids, are kids in their natural state before the state and peer culture pervert them into a "social stamp" of approval.

Homeschooling kids are in the most natural, organic, wonderful state, as kids should be. Kids who homeschool are like generations of pub educated students of yore; before socialism and the cult of "celebrity" became the models of instruction.

And that's why, amid the millions indoctrinated by the State, homeschooled kids seem "different".

My home felt like Noah's Ark, back in the 90s. Children of all ages were asking to be a part of my homeschool. Asking their parents to talk to me. We helped where we could. College students were asking if they could do their studies at my home. And be tutored. And additionally instructed in matters and topics they'd never heard before.

In homeschooling children, you are seeing students in their natural state. Despair, envy, wanting to fit "in" is what is happening to kids in pub ed. Many don't wish to be there.

Most homeschooling kids want to be exactly where they are. And yes, this makes them stand out as "different" amid the madding crowd.

78 posted on 08/20/2008 4:46:14 AM PDT by Alia
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To: SBprone
The social weirdness is another thing, but maybe it sorts itself out when the child becomes an adult and enters the world of work and society.

It does sort out. Although my family is heavily social, always has been - my kids and I talked about this "difference" in the mid90s. I'll tell you what I told them, asked them to decide about:

You can always learn advanced social skills -- the right clothing, the "hep" verbiage, the hand languages, the "right" cliques -- but you cannot get back those years where your brain is tracking, or not. You cannot suddenly grow "new synaptic pathways" just by associating with the larger culture of work and society.

Or conversely, explaining this to Ken Hamblin, years ago: Yes, there's partial birth abortion. And then there's the metaphysical lobotomy taking place in pub ed during a child's most formative years.

Yes, SBprone - as far as the "coolness" factor in re homeschooling kids: it's a snap for them to "catch up" and play the "social game" and WIN it. But, what they can't do is go back and retrain their minds anywhere as readily or easily when they are grown.

Kids in pub ed get grooved into the coolness factor and suddenly arrive at adulthood with no idea of what they want to do. Homeschooled kids generally arrive at adulthood with a passion for what they wish to do. And in this regard, it usually makes them very popular, especially around those lacking a fulfilling passion in their lives.

79 posted on 08/20/2008 4:54:55 AM PDT by Alia
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To: JLS

My point in that paraphrase of Hayek was to impugn the motives and rationale of the planners.

They really aren’t in it for the good of the individual,

they’re in it for the CONTROL of the individual; to force others to conform to their will.


80 posted on 08/20/2008 5:17:14 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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