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To: Kenny Bunk
"Curiously, the Sun never has been seen as a cooling agent, but as a cause of warming. It clearly has roles in both cooling and warming," he said.

I want to read about how he thinks the Sun is going to be a COOLing agent! What, a giant heat sink?

I hope this is a translation problem and that just means that it will not warm as much as usual.

Otherwise, it means he's still falling into the IPCC wordgame.

16 posted on 08/19/2008 10:29:20 AM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: Gondring

I think he’s saying that the activities of the sun can result in either a warming or a cooling of the atmosphere. The relationship is not direct, necessarily, but since decreased solar activity would correlate with cooling in the Earth’s atmosphere, it can be considered as a cooling agent. The term “agent” here has specific scientific meaning.


25 posted on 08/19/2008 10:37:46 AM PDT by Little Pig (Is it time for "Cowboys and Muslims" yet?)
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To: Gondring
Sun ...been seen as a cooling agent, but as a cause of warming

A little translation problemo, dude. What the good Doc is saying is that "Whenna da Sun, sheesa no worka so good, we getta leetle chili maybe heare ona de Eart." ¿No entiendes?

And blame me, I translated the translator.

35 posted on 08/19/2008 10:44:52 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk (GOP Plank: Pump MORE US Crude--2Xrefining capacity -- Coal /METHANOL fuel-- Build Nukes)
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To: Gondring; Kenny Bunk
"Curiously, the Sun never has been seen as a cooling agent, but as a cause of warming. It clearly has roles in both cooling and warming," he said.

I want to read about how he thinks the Sun is going to be a COOLing agent! What, a giant heat sink?


Warming agent: heating both from increased solar output as well as strengthened magnetic field leading to decreased cloud nucleation from decreased cosmic radiation.

Cooling agent: cooling both from decreased solar output as well as weaker magnetic field leading to increased cloud nucleation from increased cosmic radiation.


68 posted on 08/19/2008 11:56:05 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: Gondring
I hope this is a translation problem and that just means that it will not warm as much as usual.

It has nothing to do with translation, it all about relative temperature differentials. If you look anywhere in space but the sun the absolute temperature is about seven degrees above absolute zero, −273.15 °C or −459.67 °F. Since the earth's surface is much warmer then that we loose heat by radiating it into space. The sun is much warmer then earth and we gain heat by intercepting heat radiating from the sun. If the sun cools down we receive less heat so we cool as well.

It rather like sitting around a campfire, the side facing the fire feels nice and toasty and the side facing away gets chilly.

Regards,
GtG

82 posted on 08/19/2008 1:51:39 PM PDT by Gandalf_The_Gray (I live in my own little world, I like it 'cuz they know me here.)
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To: Gondring; neverdem

What he means is: The sun IS the source of the world’s 9average) climate. As it increases (net radiation + cosmic ray shielding) temperatures rise above their nominal. When the sun’s activity decreases, temperatures on earth cool (go down) from their nominal point.

Over the very long term, the sun either heats things up (1908-1935, 1970-1998) or cools things off (Maunder Minimum/Little Ice Age, 1940-1970, 2007-2008).


91 posted on 08/19/2008 4:24:14 PM PDT by Robert A Cook PE (I can only donate monthly, but Hillary's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: Gondring
I want to read about how he thinks the Sun is going to be a COOLing agent! What, a giant heat sink?

Think about it just a little. It's not to hard to imagine. Grossly oversimple example. Put a lightbulb on a dimmer. Turn it all the way up. Put your hand a few inches away and feel the amount of heat. Then have a friend turn down the dimmer. Relatively speaking, you have just experienced global cooling on your hand.

I know it's not that simple. But I thought a flippant post deserved a flippant answer.

122 posted on 08/20/2008 9:36:15 AM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: Gondring

I hope this is a translation problem and that just means that it will not warm as much as usual.


Sounds like he is suggesting that the popular models tend to treat internal earth heat sources and external astronomic sources as constants.


152 posted on 09/02/2008 5:38:28 AM PDT by Rippin
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