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1 posted on 08/18/2008 3:57:16 PM PDT by Tzimisce
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"Why are so many squandering precious time in an attempt to outlaw gay marriage?"

Because it's wrong.

2 posted on 08/18/2008 4:00:03 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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To: Tzimisce

That she should read “How Would God Vote” by David Klinghoffer. JMO


3 posted on 08/18/2008 4:01:20 PM PDT by Valpal1 (OW! My head just exploded!)
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To: Tzimisce
Thoughts?

Yeah, a bunch of crap.

4 posted on 08/18/2008 4:01:24 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture™)
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Gays should stop wasting time attacking Christians.

JoMa


5 posted on 08/18/2008 4:01:56 PM PDT by joma89
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bs

another good works Christian


6 posted on 08/18/2008 4:02:30 PM PDT by wardaddy ("Cause my grey hair just can't cover up my redneck.")
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Frankly Ms. Lafferty, you are wrong. Same Sex marriage is merely a small part of the entire agenda to remove all societal norms related to morals, right and wrong, marriage, life, personal responsibility, even shame.
7 posted on 08/18/2008 4:05:24 PM PDT by gidget7 (Duncan Hunter-Valley Forge Republican!)
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Guess we should have quit before banning it here in Michigan. We didn’t realize we were beaten before we voted. LOL


8 posted on 08/18/2008 4:06:44 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Voting Conservative isn't for the faint of heart.)
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To: Tzimisce

Just a thought.

If folks would not think of Christ as a Christain ( HE was’n’t )and as the SON OF GOD (which HE is ) and listen to what HE said and is saying , then a person would know when they are doing something against the will of GOD, if that is important to them or not , it’s their choice.So simple it’s hard.

Gay Marrige,no such animal.


10 posted on 08/18/2008 4:07:03 PM PDT by silentreignofheroes (In my day,Flunking gym was not an option , even for Stupid Kids!)
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Holly is quite uninformed on the subject.

"Legalizing same-sex marriage will affect a wide spectrum of government activities and policies. Once a state government declares that same-sex unions are a civil right, those governments almost certainly will enforce a wide variety of other policies intended to ensure that there is no discrimination against same-sex couples. This may well place “church and state on a collision course.”[16]

The prospect of same-sex marriage has already spawned legal collisions with the rights of free speech and of action based on religious beliefs. For example, advocates and government officials in certain states already are challenging the long-held right of religious adoption agencies to follow their religious beliefs and only place children in homes with both a mother and a father. As a result, Catholic Charities in Boston has stopped offering adoption services.

Other advocates of same-sex marriage are suggesting that tax exemptions and benefits be withdrawn from any religious organization that does not embrace same-sex unions.[17] Public accommodation laws are already being used as leverage in an attempt to force religious organizations to allow marriage celebrations or receptions in religious facilities that are otherwise open to the public. Accrediting organizations in some instances are asserting pressure on religious schools and universities to provide married housing for same-sex couples. Student religious organizations are being told by some universities that they may lose their campus recognition and benefits if they exclude same-sex couples from club membership.[18]

Many of these examples have already become the legal reality in several nations of the European Union, and the European Parliament has recommended that laws guaranteeing and protecting the rights of same-sex couples be made uniform across the EU.[19] Thus, if same-sex marriage becomes a recognized civil right, there will be substantial conflicts with religious freedom. And in some important areas, religious freedom may be diminished. "

http://www.protectmarriage.com/

11 posted on 08/18/2008 4:07:28 PM PDT by TheDon
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Surrender on what marriage is is never acceptable.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

12 posted on 08/18/2008 4:07:29 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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Because marriage is a sacrament ordained by God (so the marriage ceremony used to say)

Once you allow law to dictate who MUST receive sacraments, you open the door to massive legal interference in the practice of religion


14 posted on 08/18/2008 4:08:49 PM PDT by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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Marriage between a man and a woman is a sacrament. Gay marriage is a sin. I will continue to defend sacraments and oppose sin.


16 posted on 08/18/2008 4:11:59 PM PDT by mojito
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To: Tzimisce
Our Constitution grants “liberty and justice for all.”

This airhead columnist is a BS artist, not a deep thinker.

17 posted on 08/18/2008 4:12:53 PM PDT by Jacquerie (Any Conservative who sits out the election will be an accomplice to the criminal Obama regime.)
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"Those who find homosexuality offensive to their sensibilities cannot prohibit gay relationships altogether."


The question is not one of prohibiting gay relationships all together. This is a complete red herring. The question is whether the public is going to sanction such relationships as a marriage. There is a historic reason why the public has taken an interest in traditional marriage. The support is meant to encourage stability in a relationship which has the potential to create vulnerable third parties (children). The protection of children is the only justifiable reason for the public to take an interest in private relations. Since same sex relations can not produce children, they are purely a matter of private concern and not of interest to the public.

The gay rights activists used to argue that their relationships were strictly a matter of private concern when they were arguing against sodomy laws. Now they want to reverse course and argue that their relations should be of public concern, which as the premise behind sodomy laws.
18 posted on 08/18/2008 4:13:56 PM PDT by rob777 (Personal Responsibility is the Price of Freedom)
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The reason we oppose homosexuality is because it is a demonic spirit.


19 posted on 08/18/2008 4:14:03 PM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM .53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart, there is no GOD.)
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"I may be in the minority among my fellow Christians..."

Yeah, I guess you are.

20 posted on 08/18/2008 4:14:37 PM PDT by Rocky
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IMHO, it's not a waste of my time.

I can multi-task!

21 posted on 08/18/2008 4:16:42 PM PDT by airborne (American by birth! Christian by choice!)
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Christians will live among those who don’t believe in God, until the end. Corinthians were told to live among the sinners but not to live like them. Surely there were gay trysts, abortions, etc. all around the church, but the church there needed to stay pure.

We need to encourage the better in those around us, too. This can mean voting for someone who is against abortion or against gay marriage, but it may not be such things, alone. It is perfectly acceptable to argue against sinful things being made legal in public.

That said, Christians should not give up any hope should marriage be “redefined.” Gay “marriage” is nothing compared with legalized abortion or euthanasia, but Christians were able to live within societies with such things, too, around the time of Christ.

Our faith in Christ does not have to be what others follow in our own society, but it would be best if all were in Christ.


28 posted on 08/18/2008 4:20:54 PM PDT by ConservativeMind
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"my fellow Christians"

Wrong. You may have fellow so-called Christians; but not real Christians. I see the devil also calling me his fellow 'Christian'; but neither the devil, nor you, are my fellow Christian.

30 posted on 08/18/2008 4:21:05 PM PDT by gedeon3
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no attacks -- Just the fact according to the Catholic Church.

 
enter the Table of Contents of the Catechism of the Catholic Church here
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Body: 7 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity, tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered." They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved

33 posted on 08/18/2008 4:25:52 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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