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State science standards in election spotlight (ID/Creation Kansans need to vote!)
The Wichita Eagle ^ | August 1, 2008 | LORI YOUNT

Posted on 08/18/2008 9:35:10 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts

With five seats on the State Board of Education up for grabs this year, education advocates say how children learn about evolution hangs in the balance -- and who voters choose could affect Kansas' national reputation.

A frequent flip-flop between moderate and conservative majorities on the 10-member board has resulted in the state changing its science standards four times in the past eight years.

Conservatives have pushed for standards casting doubt on evolution, and moderates have said intelligent design does not belong in the science classroom.

In 2007, a new 6-4 moderate majority removed standards that called evolution into question.

This year, none of the three moderates whose seats are up for election are running again. Only one of the two conservative incumbents is running for re-election...

(Excerpt) Read more at kansas.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Kansas
KEYWORDS: creation; crevo; education; election; elections; evolution; intelligentdesign; kansas; schoolboard; scienceeducation; wrongforum
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To: Coyoteman

a godless evolution site does not impress me as being objective let alone truthful.

I think your objectivity problem is rather crippling to your arguments.

www.dissentfromdarwin.org


1,041 posted on 08/23/2008 1:38:56 PM PDT by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing-----Edmund Burke)
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To: tpanther
Okay, you have one man's testimony that the school showed a film that conflicts with your religions beliefs and personal opinions about religion and science.

Still no evidence of book banning or controlling what the children can read on their own time.

Your victimhood is looking tenuous.

1,042 posted on 08/23/2008 1:59:33 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tpanther
his results contradicted his faith? Where’d you get that from?

From that same article that you described as "FANTASTIC"--didn't you actually read it? Here:

The concept of divine unity in nature influenced Faraday most deeply and extensively in his research on the relationships between various forces of nature (on what we would now call the conservation of energy). Faraday's famous findings on the mutual effects of electricity and magnetism were natural products of these inquiries. The very same beliefs led Faraday to investigate other similar relationships, as well....

Most impressive of these studies was work done over three decades on the relationship between electricity and gravity. These forces differ greatly and Faraday remarked on this several times--gravity follows straight lines of force only; it is not transferable to other bodies; it exhibits attraction only, no repulsion; etc. Still, Faraday's religious outlook convinced him that a "gravelectric" effect was there, waiting to be elucidated, just like the once unknown electromagnetic effects....

By later that summer Faraday was conducting experiments....Faraday's evidence suggested that no gravelectric effect existed. Yet in September, he was at work on yet another test....Again, no "success." And again, Faraday retained the same conviction that had promoted all his earlier work. He presented his findings to the Royal Society in November, 1850, noting that the results "do not shake my strong feeling of the existence of a relation between gravity and electricity, though they give no proof that it exists."

So: his faith led him to expect certain experimental results. He couldn't get those results. He owned up to that fact. More "Creation Scientists" should follow his lead.
1,043 posted on 08/23/2008 2:07:42 PM PDT by Ha Ha Thats Very Logical
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To: ColdWater

For those tired of this thread, there’s something of interest here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2066732/posts


1,044 posted on 08/23/2008 2:08:24 PM PDT by js1138
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To: tacticalogic

ONE?

HARDLY...

there’s dozens if not hundreds of examples...

and in addition to that, there’s myriad more examples of them outside of science classes...

and then there’s that larger nagging dilemma of godless unobjective liberals destroying the fabric of our society that you darwinists continue to ignore...

the WHOLE country is being victimized by godless liberal lunatics!

being one or just being a tool of one, won’t change that fact either.


1,045 posted on 08/23/2008 2:17:25 PM PDT by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing-----Edmund Burke)
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To: Coyoteman; Ha Ha Thats Very Logical

==But they did it by doing real science, not creation “science.”

If you read up on Faraday, it becomes abundantly clear that the Bible inspired his research. He believed nature testified to God’s wisdom and power. He believed the laws of nature were literally spoken into existence and impressed on matter at the time of creation, saying that “God has been pleased to work in his material creation by laws,” and that “...All the power that God has infused into matter, He uses for various effects in creation.” Faraday viewed nature itself to be a book written by God, and that science was one of the principle tools man uses to understand that book. Finally, Faraday did not believe the book of God’s WORD and the book of God’s WORLD could ever come in conflict because they were both written by the same author. So as a biblical literalist, Faraday’s thinking would be right in line with modern Creation Scientists.


1,046 posted on 08/23/2008 2:17:41 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: js1138

and off to rousing start, just gonna be another thread just like this one.


1,047 posted on 08/23/2008 2:21:09 PM PDT by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing-----Edmund Burke)
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To: tacticalogic; tpanther
you have one man's testimony that the school showed a film that conflicts with your religions beliefs and personal opinions about religion and science.

Yeah--a film that the author "has had no access to since" and that isn't available on Amazon, nor does it turn up on a Google search, even though according to the story it was around in 2000. He also claims to have been praised by "Governor Napolitano herself," even though he events in the story took place years before she was elected governor. Real credible source there.

1,048 posted on 08/23/2008 2:21:41 PM PDT by Ha Ha Thats Very Logical
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To: tpanther
Good grief I’ve never seen a wet paper bag be so impenetrable to libs in all my years! :)

You don't have to be a liberal to believe that the earth is millions of years old. In fact LOTS of Christians believe that.

1,049 posted on 08/23/2008 2:45:49 PM PDT by ColdWater
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To: GodGunsGuts
If you read up on Faraday, it becomes abundantly clear that the Bible inspired his research.

Where? Most of the biographies on the web are very short.

1,050 posted on 08/23/2008 2:56:13 PM PDT by ColdWater
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To: GodGunsGuts
So as a biblical literalist, Faraday’s thinking would be right in line with modern Creation Scientists.

We're talking about his science, not about his motivations.

Modern creation "scientists" are not doing science. They are doing religious apologetics.

The long list of scientists you posted may have included creationists, but they became well known for their science, not their creation "science."

Really, that list of scientists contradicted the point you thought you were making.

1,051 posted on 08/23/2008 3:00:16 PM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: Coyoteman

We are all waiting for some science from creationists. Even a research proposal would be interesting. Something that isn’t third RATE.


1,052 posted on 08/23/2008 3:21:35 PM PDT by js1138
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To: Ha Ha Thats Very Logical

LOL...yeah no doubt in all your google searches you come up empty with godless liberals hijacking the courts and censoring Christians...

you seriously don’t have a concept of a Gov. praising someone for events that occured before they became gov?

SERIOUSLY?

I bet you dodn’t even know who Michael Newdow is!

That you find it incredible virtually confirms for me that it indeed is credible and very much so!


1,053 posted on 08/23/2008 5:43:39 PM PDT by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing-----Edmund Burke)
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To: ColdWater

censorship...not the earth’s age...censorship.

Show me where godless liberals hijacked the courts to silent dissent in science in his day...

not that anyone is holding their breath, collectively not a single soilitary one of you jokers can show a soul where godless liberals have been objective or even particularly beneficial to mankind in ANY arena.


1,054 posted on 08/23/2008 5:47:15 PM PDT by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing-----Edmund Burke)
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To: tpanther
...collectively not a single soilitary one of you jokers can show a soul where godless liberals have been objective or even particularly beneficial to mankind in ANY arena.

You have gone from zealous to overly zealous to downright idiotic.

You are doing your side no good with extremist posts such as this.

1,055 posted on 08/23/2008 6:01:24 PM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: Coyoteman

I know I know...those that point out censorship are the extremists...

I’ve heard your pathology for all my life now!


1,056 posted on 08/23/2008 6:04:01 PM PDT by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing-----Edmund Burke)
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To: js1138

Doesn’t seem there was much to deal with here.

Doesn’t seem there’s much I can deal with here.

There fixed it.


1,057 posted on 08/23/2008 6:14:36 PM PDT by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing-----Edmund Burke)
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To: tpanther
In other words, the weak were to do their duty and die while the fittest survived, which would one day lead to an evolutionarily super society and race.

Sounds about like modern liberal thinking, the kind exposed by Kerry, Edwards, Clinton, etc.

Indeed, there's nothing new under the sun.

1,058 posted on 08/23/2008 6:23:58 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom

nope...whenit has tostand alone in the light you can plainly see there’s not enough lipstick in the universe to hide that it’s an ugly pig is there!?

Which is why the left has to slight of hand their way to push through their agenda.


1,059 posted on 08/23/2008 6:38:56 PM PDT by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing-----Edmund Burke)
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To: metmom

when it has to stand alone....


1,060 posted on 08/23/2008 6:40:11 PM PDT by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing-----Edmund Burke)
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