Posted on 08/17/2008 12:46:00 PM PDT by ellery
‘If they dont listen to the police when they enter under a warrant and start reaching for things when they say stop...YES! Police cant tell if their innocent or reaching for a suicide belt.”
Take off your tin foil hat. In this case the cops weren’t even at the right address. They even managed to get the correct address on the warrant but evidently didn’t bother reading their own warrant.
If cops enter a house they do not have probable cause or a warrant for that is a crime.
“Some common sense should prevail.”
yes it should, sadly law enforcement lacks any common sense. They had to make room for their ego’s.
Drug dealers most often kill other drug dealers.
Ok, now I understand what your problem is. You have mistaken the police for the judicial system. A person is not a criminal until a jury or judge says he is. Until then, he is a citizen who is due all the rights guaranteed to citizens by the constitution.
Judge gives a warrant, and there is no right I know of for them not to be checked out.
Also they can burst right in if they drive by and suspect the commission of a crime is happening. (Like the screams of someone getting raped or murdered).
Your example is far far far different then cops doing a no knock on the wrong home. That you can’t see that is quite scary.
“Have you forgotten that a person is presumed innocent, so maybe tearing his house apart based on an unverified tip might be a little unreasonable.”
There are no innocents as far as they are concerned. Only people they haven’t caught yet.
right, because only the police are capable of yelling "freeze, police, search warrant". Sheez...
Just last week there was a case in the news about the thugs who broke into a house yelling exactly that, didn't you see it?
Again, you don’t get it.
The police did not KNOW that at the time.
The best thing to do is to cooperate till things get straightened out.
People have to use common sense.
Read the little story of my own.
It can happen.
Not really the police’s fault.
Things need to get better, but you have to get over there not being perfection because the best of us are human in all professions.
OK, have to go, picking up the wife (baby boy due in couple of weeks) :-)
‘Judge gives a warrant, and there is no right I know of for them not to be checked out.”
right for what not to be checked out. theres certainly is a right to be left alone. These folks did have a right to be left alone as the warrant was for this address. The cops should be charged with criminal negligence and assault with a deadly weapon.
You have to have common sense.
Outside of triple verifying things before and after a warrant, I don't know what other logical thing can be done.
Bad guys won't stop and police will go on doing their jobs.
“The police did not KNOW that at the time.”
They knew they were at the wrong address. It was right at the warrant that they failed to even read.
“The police did not KNOW that at the time.”
Sure, if you know its the cops. If someone were to break down my door I would not assume its the police.
Not their fault? Are you freaking kidding me!@!!!! Things aren’t getting better, they are getting worse. Police are taxing a kid with a broken back 19 times. They shoot grandmas and plant evidence on her. And then they cry for more authority and bigger weapons.
That aside, there is no issue of stopping law enforcement.
The only issue here is about what can be done to prevent future mistakes.
I say triple verify before and after the warrant by several individuals, that is my conclusion.
What is your logical answer to all this?
Anything goes and criminals get free passes would not be a logical answer.
Have a good night. :-)
That makes no common sense.
They didn't read it right, but KNEW they were at the wrong place.
I don't get the logic of that post to me. There was a mistake. Mistake means it wasn't on purpose.
You contradicted things all over IMO on that one.
My answer is read the warrant. Which should be based on real evidence in the first place and not the word of some narc trying to work a deal.
roughly 54% of people in federal prison are there for drug convictions. America has about 2% of our population in prison. Drugs are more available then ever.
Bigger weapons, killing women, children, grandmas, dogs, cats, and guys is not the answer.
Oh I’m sorry. I meant read the warrant BEFORE they start shooting and not after.
There's the rub! We got plenty of drugs because it's so profitable to distribute them.
Maybe we ought to have our gubmit' declare war on food. The world would not be able to consume it all....no one would starve. Food pushers would get filthy rich...and food prevention officers would still have their 30 days annual vacations and full medical......but no one would go hungry.... for a price....that is.
I just came across this.
Let me just say, there’s too much red and not enough blue.
My concept of the major problem with this has already been stated: that the police are completely unapologetic when huge mistakes are made, and that they simply toss aside or even cover up things like this that occur.
There really should be some way they acknowledge liability for errors instead of what occurs now.
“There’s the rub! We got plenty of drugs because it’s so profitable to distribute them.”
I don’t claim to have the answer but the current plan isn’t working. Thats plain enough to see.
Perhaps the right answer is to treat them like a medical issue. If people are stupid enough to get hooked then they get institutionalized. Thats pretty much what happens now except their dogs are shot first.
Remove the profit and you remove the corruption and criminal enterprise.
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