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ATF Changes Defintion of "Manufacturer"
johnjacobh.wordpress.com ^ | 08/16/08 | johnjacobh.wordpress.com

Posted on 08/16/2008 7:08:26 PM PDT by Copernicus

http://www.atf.gov/firearms/firearmstech/081508manufacturing-of-firearms.pdf

8. A gunsmith regularly buys military-type firearms, Mausers, etc., and sporterizes" them for resale. The gunsmith is in the business of manufacturing firearms and should be licensed as a manufacturer.

9. A gunsmith buys semiautomatic pistols and modifies the slides to accept a new style of sights. The sights are not usually sold with these firearms and do not attach to the existing mounting openings. The gunsmith offers these firearms for sale. This would be considered the manufacturing of firearms, and the gunsmith should be licensed as a manufacturer.

10. A gunsmith buys government model pistols and installs "drop-in" precision trigger parts or other "drop-in parts" for the purpose of resale. This would be considered the manufacturing of firearms, as the gunsmith is purchasing the firearms, modifying the firearms, and selling them. The gunsmith should be licensed as a manufacturer.

11. A gunsmith buys surplus military rifles, bends the bolts to accept a scope, and then drills the receivers for a scope base. The gunsmith offers these firearms for sale. This would be considered the manufacturing of firearms, and the gunsmith should be licensed as a manufacturer.

12. A gunsmith buys surplus military rifles or pistols and removes the stocks, adds new stocks or pistol grips, cleans the firearms, then sends the firearms to a separate contractor for bluing. These firearms are then sold to the public. This would be considered manufacturing of firearms, and the gunsmith should be licensed as a manufacturer.

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To: Copernicus
Having worked for a government agency, I can guarantee that such a political sensitive decision was made or approved by Bush. He has been one of our worst presidents behind the scenes working with the FBI and BATF just as his Father was.

He thinks of us as a bunch of rednecks and couldn't care less what we think. In fact he dislikes us intensely, just can't say so openly.

21 posted on 08/16/2008 7:30:46 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: Copernicus

So the ATF wants to be disbanded... what is the next step... how do we sue the bastards and get the head hancho fired?


22 posted on 08/16/2008 7:30:57 PM PDT by Porterville (Mac Daddy Daddy Mac!!!!! 2008!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: Copernicus
"...and the gunsmith should be licensed as a manufacturer."

And let me guess...we're fresh out of those licenses.

23 posted on 08/16/2008 7:31:17 PM PDT by n230099 ("If you don't blame the camera for porn, then don't blame the gun for shootings". (Unknown))
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To: yarddog

Bush own a ranch in Texas... there is no way he supports gun regulation. I don’t care how rich he is. If you grow up with guns, you know that the hysteria is something based on liberal fad.


24 posted on 08/16/2008 7:32:15 PM PDT by Porterville (Mac Daddy Daddy Mac!!!!! 2008!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: Copernicus

We use 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 2 to pull a trigger. I'm lazy and I'm tired of smiling.


25 posted on 08/16/2008 7:33:18 PM PDT by smokingfrog (He that lives upon hope will die fasting. - Ben Franklin)
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To: n230099
This is nothing more than back door Gun Control by stealth and subterfuge.
26 posted on 08/16/2008 7:34:04 PM PDT by Iron Munro (Suppose you were an idiot, and suppose you were a member of Congress; but I repeat myself.)
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To: Chinstrap61a
Another unelected plethora trying to implement new LAWS?
That's up to the US CONGRESS, not unelected aswipes!

America isn't an Corporation where new rules can be sent out in memos every day.

27 posted on 08/16/2008 7:34:44 PM PDT by MaxMax (I'll welcome death when God calls me. Until then, the fight is on)
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To: Copernicus
Other federal law prevails if ATF wants to push it. They could lose some of the authority they now have if they do.

I'm think here of Billybob's auto detailing studio. If ol' Billybob is "manufacturing" automobiles by painting lines on them, he can demand to be added to the federal bidder's list for fleet cars.

I bet the GSA guys would just love to have to prepare bidders packages to send out to every custom shop in America.

Then there are the gas stations who change spark plugs ~ take out copper core and put in platinum ~ all of 'em becoming engine manufacturers ~ gad!

Every time you expand the definition of a process it sends cold chills up and down the spines of each and every government procurement officer.

ATF ought to consult with some REAL lawyers someday ~

28 posted on 08/16/2008 7:35:26 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Copernicus

This is crap, a person or gunsmith who does these minor modifications is not a manufacturer, it’s just adding parts or minor upgrades.

Restocking a military rifle to make it more like a sporting rifle has been done by everyone from a Dough boy with a take home Mauser to all those NRA members who bought Springfield 1903 rifles for $35 in 1960 and changed the stock and tapped the receiver to put a 4X Redfield onto it.

Drop in trigger jobs and aftermarket sights are the bread and butter of sellers like Midway USA or Brownells. A third of the firearms in my safe have this added by me or a gunsmith.

The manufacturers license is darn expensive and has to be renewed with more money and paperwork. Gun smithing is a poor paying profession for most out there and adding more hassles will make it harder for we shooters to get repairs done expertly.


29 posted on 08/16/2008 7:35:37 PM PDT by RicocheT
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To: LimaLimaMikeFoxtrot; Squantos
I guess I’m a manufacturer of a Sig Sauer. Boy, won’t Sig Arms be surprised to learn that?..

If you "manufacture" something, shouldn't there be more of them after you are finished than before? It seems to me that there are no more guns after than before new sights are installed. And, amazingly, the gun still has the same serial number it started with.

Somebody please tell me this is a joke. Next, BATFE will declare that 2+2=5. They'll count your two Sigs, two Glocks, and demand to know where you've hidden your S&W.

30 posted on 08/16/2008 7:38:33 PM PDT by 300winmag (Deterrence is an activity, Destruction is a profession)
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To: Copernicus

31 posted on 08/16/2008 7:38:52 PM PDT by elkfersupper
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To: Porterville

Bush may own a ranch in Texas but at heart he is a New England snob. I have never seen him with a gun or hunting etc. Maybe he made some commercial with one but I never see him target practicing, hunting, or just carrying a gun. He is not one of us.


32 posted on 08/16/2008 7:40:01 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: MaxMax
In case anyone is interested, there is a Congressman who is head of the oversight committee for the Batf. His name is John Conyers.

That's no lie, sadly. He's who we should be contacting.

33 posted on 08/16/2008 7:40:21 PM PDT by basil (Support the Second Amendment-buy another gun today!)
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To: 300winmag
I sold all my guns !.......;o)

BATFAG's are !

BTW have you ever seen this type of AOW Class III NFA doodad ? That baton / billy fires a 20ga shotgun round !


34 posted on 08/16/2008 7:42:18 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: Squantos
Dayum!

I want one.

35 posted on 08/16/2008 7:44:34 PM PDT by elkfersupper
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To: Copernicus; bamahead

Damn! That’s crazy!

This will have far reaching ramifications.


36 posted on 08/16/2008 7:44:54 PM PDT by KoRn (CTHULHU '08 - I won't settle for a lesser evil any longer!)
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To: Copernicus

This is bullsh#t! A MODIFICATION by swapping parts made by a third party and you have to be a manufacturer?


37 posted on 08/16/2008 7:45:55 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: 300winmag

Current Rat Congress in an election year has thus far been kinder to the constitution. Wait till they lose in November......Katy bar the door !


38 posted on 08/16/2008 7:46:12 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: RicocheT
adding more hassles will make it harder for we shooters to get repairs done expertly

Or poorly, based on the last "gunsmith" I dealt with. I'm surprised the guy could find the muzzle end of the gun. He told me that two separate firearms, one a Ruger Mk II bull barrel, the other a Springfield Armory 1911 .45 ACP, both were "dirty", even though I told him the Ruger had been stove piping since I bought it new (shame on me for being stupid and not sending it back to Ruger from new, I know).

After his cursory cleaning of course didn't solve the problem, I finally broke down and sent it back to Ruger who replaced a couple of major components for a very reasonable price, and it hasn't jammed since. I sold the SA .45 auto to a buddy, who promptly diagnosed a problem in the machining of the grooves on the slide, lapped it in, and it hasn't jammed since. The "gunsmith" is supposed to be a widely recognized .45 auto guy, too.

39 posted on 08/16/2008 7:46:27 PM PDT by Hardastarboard (I have Zero Tolerance for Zero Tolerance policies.)
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To: Chinstrap61a

The people who created the BATF gave them the power to arbitrarily make and change rules, mostly with little or no oversight.


40 posted on 08/16/2008 7:47:06 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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