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Russia: BTC Pipeline is 'Dead'
Threats Watch ^ | 8-15-08 | Steve Schippert

Posted on 08/16/2008 5:45:46 PM PDT by Snickering Hound

A Turkish energy ministry official confirmed that the BTC pipeline blast was a terrorist act. But what’s more, Russia’s international politics advisor to the Russian Duma declared the pipeline “dead” and that it would never operate again.

An adviser to the Russian parliament also claimed the closed pipeline would not be opened again and declared the line is “dead”. “The world and countries in the region have seen that not NATO, but Russia is the only one who could secure the energy routes,” Alexander Dugin, international politics advisor to the Russia’s Duma, told Turkish Cumhuriyet daily.

“In this context, regarding Turkey’s energy politics, it should be said that the BTC is not running at the moment and it will not run again.” How can they know it will not run again? Because they have the communist PKK at the ready to ensure it stays dead with more bombings if necessary.

Earlier this week, we asked “Did Russia Employ Communist PKK Ahead of Georgia Invasion?” The PKK took responsibility for the BTC pipeline bombing. But it remains likely that the communist terrorists got marching orders from Vladimir Putin, one of the opening kinetic salvos into the drive on Georgia.

The comment above from Alexander Dugin is a clear indicator for those not already aware that Russia’s intent in Georgia extends far beyond the dirt and people in the former Soviet republic. The larger target is western Europe and the United States.

But the conflict is too hot to term it Cold War II. At least in Georgia - and Turkey, if one believes as I do that the PKK acted on Russian request or direction.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: btc; dugin; energy; eurasianism; gasputin; geopolitics; georgia; oil; pipeline; pkk; russia; turkey
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To: MarMema
The Russian nationalists are feeling their oats because of the sudden high of energy money. Money from selling natural resources is not the same as having a real broad-based economy. Their new-found wealth depends upon they want to destroy. Quite a dilemma.

This is much like the Middle East, which will essentially fall back to nomadic tribalism when the resources run dry, or are no longer needed.

Hopefully what all of this will do is finally break all resistance in the United States to again begin using our own natural resources.

I also think that its clear that it is time for the adults to take up the banner from the environmentalist children. We need to develop and perfect alternative energy sources immediately and conservation plans....not for global warming fantasies....but for national security.

T. Boone Pickens is right about us sending our wealth overseas for energy....but we can drill our way out of it as a bridge in the short term.

The best way to calm these delusions of energy monopoly grandeur are to stop needing their energy.
21 posted on 08/16/2008 6:13:59 PM PDT by Arkinsaw
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To: SAJ; thackney

ping


22 posted on 08/16/2008 6:19:52 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: Army Air Corps
Not quite. Eurasionism is an old movement that has been revived. It differes from communism in that it is specifically about racial superiority. They are far right and much more like the Nazis. They are a geopolitical movement.

“Eurasian Movement” is officially created by constitutional Congress in Moscow 20 November 2003 and registered by Russian Ministry of Juridical Affairs as “International Social Movement” actuating on the world scale, in every country where the activity of International NGO is accepted. The main goals of International Eurasian Movement are

the the common struggle for multipolar world, based on the cooperation of different people, civilizations and cultures for the peace and mutual prosperity;

the close partnership between the European and Asiatic countries with the special role reserved for Russia as main mediator of this process;

the integration of post-Soviet space up to the point of creation of united “Eurasian Alliance” in the cultural, economical, informational, strategic and political levels;

the active and multilateral dialog of the traditional confessions and ethnos of Eurasia, mutual understanding and esteem of Eurasian elites and societies;

the conservation cultural, religious, ethnic identities of every people, development of national uniqueness and originality;

the strengthening of peace and order basing on the Eurasian principles – Pax Eurasiatica;

the opposition to the negative tendencies – unipolar and unidimensional globalization, cultural degradation, terrorism, narcotrafic, absence of social justice, ecological and demographic catastrophes. The activity of Eurasian Movement is defined by the solutions of “Higher Council”.

The executive organ of Eurasian Movement is “Eurasian Committee” with the headquarter in Moscow.

The President of “Eurasian Committee” and leader of “Eurasian Movement” is Alexandre Dugin, the philosophe, founder of neo-eurasisme, the creator of modern Russian school of geopolitics.

23 posted on 08/16/2008 6:22:05 PM PDT by MarMema (The people of Georgia have cast their lot with the free world, and we will not cast them aside)
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To: 1COUNTER-MORTER-68; Ron Jeremy
I guess Western Europe was ahead of Eastern Europe in the queue.

Well, what are we going to do about this here in the US? Time's a wasting.

24 posted on 08/16/2008 6:27:09 PM PDT by Chgogal (Voting "Present" 130 times might be a sign of a smart politician. It is not a sign of a good leader.)
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To: Snickering Hound
More on BTC pipeline.
25 posted on 08/16/2008 6:27:22 PM PDT by fightinJAG (Rush was right when he said: "You NEVER win by losing.")
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To: Orange1998; All

Its another financial squeeze courteous of Iran and Russia. Bush is an oil man, I wish he would not play so dumb.
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Any/All hope I had for the POTUS was left at the border,,,

Globalism Is A Dead-End Street!!!

Fasten Seat-Belts...:0/


26 posted on 08/16/2008 6:29:42 PM PDT by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: MarMema

Yep, he is more of a fascist than a traditional commie. Still, fascism is just another flavour of evil.


27 posted on 08/16/2008 6:30:12 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: Army Air Corps

I have been posting here about the dangers of neo-eurasionism for years. They hate the US and want us to be destroyed. There are a few more websites out there that are quite interesting. There was also an op-ed feature in the Washington Post some time ago about Dugyn and how he was on Tv in Russia nonstop. He is quite prominent and his prominence has changed Russia so much that I would never return there now.


28 posted on 08/16/2008 6:32:48 PM PDT by MarMema (The people of Georgia have cast their lot with the free world, and we will not cast them aside)
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To: Army Air Corps
The other thing is that when freepers were whining about Putin and Iran, I was trying to point out that Putin was simply following his eurasion vision.

Alexander Dugin, one of its best-known proponents, believes that the demise of the Soviet Union was simply a tragic incident. The people of the former USSR should again be united in a grand Eurasian empire, with Russia a benign and generous patron, providing its “younger brothers” clients economic largesse and defense, mostly against the predatory USA

In everything Dugyn says, you can hear things Putin said, like the above, about the demise of the USSR. Dugyn is the reason Putin has courted Iran and China and seems to hate us.

29 posted on 08/16/2008 6:36:08 PM PDT by MarMema (The people of Georgia have cast their lot with the free world, and we will not cast them aside)
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To: MarMema

So, do Putin and Dugin have a long standing relationship or did one seek-out the other?


30 posted on 08/16/2008 6:41:12 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: Arkinsaw
The best way to calm these delusions of energy monopoly grandeur are to stop needing their energy.

Well said. In fact, so well said that, with your permission I would like to adopt it in a slightly modified form as my new tagline:

"The best way to calm the delusions of grandeur in the energy oligarchy is to stop needing their energy as soon as possible."

31 posted on 08/16/2008 6:45:03 PM PDT by Captain Rhino ( If we have the WILL to do it, there is nothing built in China that we cannot do without.)
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To: Army Air Corps; dixiechick2000; Jeff Head; SolidWood
Dugin came up through the church. His movement was actually formulated and announced at the home of the Russian Patriarch. He was some monk or something. Last I read he lived in Moscow right on the grounds of one of the churches.

It's prelest. He believes in a spiritual destiny for Russia, which has been actually discussed in the church before....except he has taken it and mixed it up. You have to understand that Russians are somewhat about blood stuff anyway...

Dugyn is a very, very evil and scary person. And way too powerful.

32 posted on 08/16/2008 6:48:10 PM PDT by MarMema (The people of Georgia have cast their lot with the free world, and we will not cast them aside)
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To: Army Air Corps
this is a good one

"Each year, newspapers, publishing houses and think tanks produce more bizarre attacks on the United States and the West that increasingly resemble Soviet propaganda, though they are more sophisticated."

"The fear is that anti-Western sentiment in Russia may spiral out of the Kremlin’s control. A number of ideologues from the lunatic fringe are already part of Russia’s political establishment. Take Alexander Dugin, a political commentator little known in the West but prominent in Russian public and intellectual life. A rabid anti-American, Dugin openly praised the Third Reich, the SS and fascism in general in the 1990s."

"As recently as 2006, Dugin singled out for praise the ideas of Gregor and Otto Strasser— two Germans who helped Hitler build the Nazi party in the 1920s. Yet in spite of such statements Dugin has become a well-respected participant on primetime political talk shows; some of his numerous tomes are used as textbooks in Russian schools and universities."

33 posted on 08/16/2008 6:56:27 PM PDT by MarMema (The people of Georgia have cast their lot with the free world, and we will not cast them aside)
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To: dirtboy; Shermy
The BTC is "dead".

The world and countries in the region have seen that not NATO, but Russia is the only one who could secure the energy routes,” Aleksandr Dugin said...

The plot thickens...

And check out the posts on this Aleksandr Dugin guy and his "Eurasian Movement".

We got more here than "a failure to communicate"...

34 posted on 08/16/2008 6:56:49 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance on Parade)
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To: Petronski; Bender2; txflake; wideawake

Ping, folks. Read the information on this thread about Dugin. This is the man whipsering in Putin’s ear.


35 posted on 08/16/2008 7:02:28 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: Smokin' Joe

Thanks for the ping Joe


36 posted on 08/16/2008 7:03:11 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Snickering Hound

Related information

Georgian rail bridge blast hits Azeri oil exports
http://uk.reuters.com/article/oilRpt/idUKLG43375520080816
Sat Aug 16, 2008 5:59pm BST

BAKU (Reuters) - Azerbaijan suspended oil exports through ports in western Georgia on Sunday after an explosion damaged a key rail bridge there.

Georgia accused Russian troops of blowing up a railway bridge west of the capital Tbilisi earlier in the day, saying its main east-west train link had been severed. Russia strongly denied any involvement.

“Transportation of oil and oil products in the western direction by railway has been suspended,” Azerbaijan’s state railway company said in a statement read out on television.

It gave the bridge explosion as the reason for the suspension. “The last shipment made by this railway contained 15 tanks,” it said.

Another 72 oil tanks had been due to be sent to next-door Armenia before the railway link was cut off, it said.

The railway line runs from Tbilisi, through the Russian-occupied Georgian town of Gori, before splitting in three and running to the Black Sea ports of Poti and Batumi and southwest to just short of the Turkish border.

Azerbaijan is emerging as an important oil supplier to the West and its fast economic growth depends heavily on revenues from oil exports from the land-locked Caspian Sea.


37 posted on 08/16/2008 7:06:43 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Chgogal
I guess Western Europe was ahead of Eastern Europe in the queue.
Well, what are we going to do about this here in the US? Time's a wasting.
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True Dat!!!

We can Conserve as Conservatives Do!!!

Stop bein’ Pigs as the Rats/Rinos Do!!!

Demand for oil/gas is still dropping last I saw,,,

Motor fuel/Home Heating Oil prices are still going down,,,

Gulf States Can CHOP The Oil And Gas Severance TAX!!!

ALL States Can CHOP Fuel TAXES!!!

Yes,,,I've on a PRO~TAXPAYER Rant All Day!!!

GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!

38 posted on 08/16/2008 7:10:27 PM PDT by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Ping.

Read the posts on this thread about Dugin; the man is an evil sack of “stuff” and has Putin’s ear.


39 posted on 08/16/2008 7:19:29 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: dirtboy; Shermy
One thing's for sure. We certainly got more here than the Obambi can handle...
40 posted on 08/16/2008 7:20:15 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance on Parade)
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