FLDS to judge: Will we be able to own our homes?

The Salt Lake Tribune ^ | 08/14/2008 | By Jennifer Dobner

[UCANSEE2]

A spokesman for the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints was in state court Thursday to ask a judge if members can ultimately own their homes, now held by a state-managed church trust.

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Judge Denise Lindberg on Thursday told Willie Jessop that under the newly revised trust managed by accountant Bruce Wisan, members can own their own homes, with some restrictions. She also sought to assure him there is no bias against the church in the management of the trust.

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Until now the FLDS have operated on a directive from imprisoned church leader Warren Jeffs to ''answer them nothing," believing the UEP takeover was part of a government campaign to persecute the FLDS for their religious beliefs.

[UCANSEE2]

Seen here is the effect of FLDS members learning about and exploring their constitutional rights.

[UCANSEE2]

Here is some positive news, coming out as a result of the CPS raid.

[MEGoody]

Rumor and information from Wisan had led many among the FLDS to believe the judge wouldn't allow homeownership, he said.

Well, of course Jeffs and his cronies would want the FLDS members to believe this. They were hoping to gain back control of the money.

Jeffs must be having a hissy fit. (Good.)

[HeartlandOfAmerica]

So, they aren’t “unalienable” after all. We have to get the govt’s ok for some of our rights.

[goldfinch]

The trust was formed in 1942, when church members turned over their property and other assets to the church to establish a communal order along the Utah/Arizona border where they had lived since the 1920s. Church leaders served as the trust's managers.

And that is when the FLDS went from being a religion to being a cult.

[realdifferent1]

...members can own their own homes, with some restrictions.

You nailed it.

[JRochelle]

Ping?

I don’t have access to the ping list right now...

[Zakeet]

I predict some Texas tort lawyer (some of the meanest in the world) will soon file suit for intentional infliction of emotional distress (along with several other causes) on behalf of one or more abused victims and thereby give the FLDS trust fund a big haircut.

[patton]

Huh? Wasn’t the trust formed before the raid?

[HeartlandOfAmerica]

So when the govt decides to go to war with Catholicism, Protestantism, Methodism, Judaism, the Friends or whatever, we're all going to have to get permission to own our homes, cars or other worldly possessions.

Cheers. Something to look forward to. ;(

[HeartlandOfAmerica]

The trust was formed in 1942, when church members turned over their property and other assets to the church to establish a communal order along the Utah/Arizona border where they had lived since the 1920s. Church leaders served as the trust's managers.

Don't know much history do you?

This is the way that Christianity started. People donated their goods to the churches, with church leaders serving as managers, which funded the early missionary efforts that allowed Christianity to grow.

[greyfoxx39]

FLDS ping

[ghostcat]

This has nothing to do with the CPS raid. This is going on in Utah not Texas and this trust has been under state control for at least a year before the raid in Texas.

[Pan_Yans Wife]

No, the FLDS was a cult the day it was formed, in the same fashion that the LDS was a cult when Smith made it up out of whole cloth. Calling something a religion does not necessarily make it a religion.

[Elsie]

So when the govt decides to go to war with Catholicism, Protestantism, Methodism, Judaism, the Friends or whatever, we're all going to have to get permission to own our homes, cars or other worldly possessions.

HA ha!

We don't OWN them NOW!

Just FAIL to pay your rent (property taxes) and see how fast yer butt hits the street!

[Elsie]

FLDS ping

WHY do you HATE Mitt so much??

FundyMormonDude(Yes... I AM a Mormon! [SLC does NOT rule the world!] )

[Tennessee Nana]

Judge Denise Lindberg on Thursday told Willie Jessop that under the newly revised trust managed by accountant Bruce Wisan, members can own their own homes
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Bet Willie was POed...

Less control of the members etc...

[Tennessee Nana]

This is the way that Christianity started. People donated their goods to the churches, with church leaders serving as managers, which funded the early missionary efforts that allowed Christianity to grow.
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But not everything...

[Alice in Wonderland]

Willie Jessop, who spoke in court informally at first and then under oath, said he had been told by Wisan that Lindberg had announced no FLDS would ever own property.

Wisan denied that he or the judge had ever said that.

"He must have a faulty memory," Wisan said about Jessop.

Wisan said the two men met previously and Wisan explained there were two ways the properties could be distributed: through a sort of homeowner's association that would have certain communal aspects that some people in the area apparently want, or through a special trust that would provide individuals with property but would restrict that person from giving it to a new United Effort Plan, or "UEP 2," which would spark the same types of legal disputes all over again.

"He did not like that," Wisan said.

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A key problem in this long-standing legal morass is the fact that there has been little or no participation from the FLDS community, she said. Among other things, there currently are seven separate lawsuits pending.

As a result, the legal fees are mounting and that is depleting assets that should go to the people who built the homes, farmed the land and created the businesses.

"It is distressing that these monies are going to experts and lawyers rather than the beneficiaries," Lindberg said.

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If nothing else, Rod Parker is getting rich.

[UCANSEE2]

“We have to get the govt’s ok for some of our rights.”

No. But you do have to know they exist.

I don’t think some of the FLDS members know anything about their ‘rights’. They’ve not been allowed very many, prior to the raid.