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Georgia: [Ukraine] blockade threat risks escalating conflict
The Times ^ | 8/14/2008 | Tony Halpin

Posted on 08/13/2008 8:29:59 PM PDT by bruinbirdman

Ukraine threatened to blockade the Russian Black Sea Fleet yesterday in an act of solidarity with Georgia that risked escalating the conflict.

After flying to Tbilisi to assure Georgians of his country’s support, President Yushchenko signed an order imposing tough restrictions on the Russian fleet, which is based in the Ukrainian port of Sevastopol. Mr Yushchenko’s decree instructs Russia to give 72 hours’ notice of any movement of ships, aircraft or personnel in Ukraine. The Ukrainian authorities were given the power to alter those plans.

The Ukrainian Foreign Ministry had already warned Russia that it will bar ships from returning to Sevastopol if they take part in military action against Georgia. Moscow responded furiously, accusing Ukraine of a “serious new antiRussian step”.

Like Georgia, Ukraine’s pro-Western leadership is seeking membership of Nato in December. The democratic Orange Revolution that swept Mr Yushchenko and Yuliya Tymoshenko, the Prime Minister, to power in 2004 has long been loathed by Vladimir Putin, the Russian Prime Minister.

The Ukrainian Security Council issued a statement yesterday declaring that the presence of foreign warships in its waters “poses a potential threat to Ukraine’s national security, particularly if parts of Russia’s Black Sea Fleet are used against third countries”.

Russia and Ukraine are already at loggerheads over the future of the Crimean base, which Russia must vacate in 2017 under a 20-year lease agreement signed after the collapse of the Soviet Union. Most of Crimea’s population consider themselves to be Russians and are strongly pro-Moscow. Tensions have mounted over calls by politicians in Moscow not to surrender control of the territory, regardless of Ukraine’s wishes. Mr Yushchenko insists that the Black Sea Fleet must leave on time and that there is no prospect of extending the lease.

(Excerpt) Read more at timesonline.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: 2004; 2017; blacksea; caucasus; geopolitics; georgia; orangerevolution; putin; russia; russiannavy; sovietunion; ukraine; war; yuliyatymoshenko; yushchenko
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To: bruinbirdman
accusing Ukraine of a “serious new antiRussian step”.

Russia just can't find a friend these days.....Wonder why?.............LOL:-)

21 posted on 08/13/2008 8:52:39 PM PDT by Cold Heat (Soetoro???? Who is Barry Soetoro? Bwahahahahahahahaha!)
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To: bruinbirdman
a “serious new antiRussian step”.

Ukrainians demanding notice from Russia for ship, aircraft or personnel while in their port ,or not allowing them to return if they engage against Georgia is not anti-Russian.

That's how Russia sees and tells it though. Defend your country, defend your ports, it's anti-Russian.

23 posted on 08/13/2008 8:53:50 PM PDT by Lijahsbubbe
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To: gaijin

It is only anti-Russian if the Russians intend to mess with the Ukrainians. Otherwise it is pretty harmless.


24 posted on 08/13/2008 8:53:58 PM PDT by Dawnsblood
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To: gaijin
"Ukraine and the United States are joined by 15 other countries for this year’s exercises, which are due to end on July 26. Fifteen Ukrainian ships, four aircraft, 10 helicopters, and 500 service personnel are involved in the military exercises."


Even though these exercises have already occurred, I'd say Pooty Poot has reason to be concerned.

25 posted on 08/13/2008 8:54:12 PM PDT by dixiechick2000 (Between Barack and a hard place...)
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To: bruinbirdman

Where is Batman when we need him?


26 posted on 08/13/2008 8:54:27 PM PDT by garjog (Used to be liberals were just people to disagree with. Now they are a threat to our existence.)
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To: gaijin

the outcome of any war is NOT predetermined. This is going to be interesting.


27 posted on 08/13/2008 8:56:01 PM PDT by genghis
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To: rjp2005
Cool heads please.

As with the Rhineland or do you prefer the cool Western heads that met at Munich?

28 posted on 08/13/2008 8:57:19 PM PDT by SampleMan (We are a free and industrious people, socialist nannies do not become us.)
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To: bruinbirdman

This whole thing reminds me of a line from “Rings” trilogy

“I will NOT have a war!”

“War is upon you...whether you would have it or not”


29 posted on 08/13/2008 8:57:50 PM PDT by Ramzi Al Kaboom ("An opinion can be argued with...a conviction is best shot"..T. E. Lawrence)
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To: inkling

For what it’s worth, Kiev was the Capitol of Old Russia.


30 posted on 08/13/2008 8:58:13 PM PDT by pankot
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To: angrymarine

***South Ossetia = Sudetenland***

Yep, but they won’t expel the Russkis the way the Sudentenland government rid itself of the nazis after WWII.


31 posted on 08/13/2008 8:59:11 PM PDT by kitkat (EX DEO LIBERTAS (From God, liberty))
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To: inkling

Good map. Thanks.


32 posted on 08/13/2008 8:59:55 PM PDT by kitkat (EX DEO LIBERTAS (From God, liberty))
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To: bruinbirdman

BALLS


33 posted on 08/13/2008 9:01:22 PM PDT by homeguard (Join or Die)
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To: SampleMan

Russia today is not comparable to Germany back then.

Iran is today’s Germany, that is where I would like to see real pressure applied, not all these useless sanctions.


34 posted on 08/13/2008 9:01:52 PM PDT by rjp2005 (Lord have mercy on us)
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To: SampleMan

Hitler did not have thousands of nuclear weapons, and the capability to deliver them to any locale in the USA. Not that I don’t want action, but a certain measure of discretion must be applied.


35 posted on 08/13/2008 9:02:58 PM PDT by Xenophon450 (I guess I'll never know, some things under the sun can never be understood...)
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To: kitkat

bttt


36 posted on 08/13/2008 9:03:38 PM PDT by ConservativeMan55 (Obama is the Democrats guy. They bought the ticket, now they must take the ride.)
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To: gaijin
Obama Pledges Cuts in Missile Defense, Space, and Nuclear Weapons Programs:
http://missilethreat.com/archives/id.7086/detail.asp

Obama Promises to Dismantle Our Armed Forces
by Robert Maginnis
('Mr. Maginnis is a retired Army lieutenant colonel, a national security and foreign affairs analyst for radio and television and a senior strategist with the U.S. Army')
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?print=yes&id=25942

37 posted on 08/13/2008 9:06:32 PM PDT by ETL (Lots of REAL smoking-gun evidence on the ObamaRats at my Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl)
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To: bruinbirdman

Hmmm, how would the US fleet like a port in the black sea at Ukraine?


38 posted on 08/13/2008 9:09:26 PM PDT by DB
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To: rjp2005

I guess you don’t believe in self defense.


39 posted on 08/13/2008 9:10:08 PM PDT by Parley Baer
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To: Cold Heat
Russia just can't find a friend these days.....Wonder why?.............LOL:-)

I don't know about that. They seem to have a few right here on FR.

40 posted on 08/13/2008 9:11:06 PM PDT by ETL (Lots of REAL smoking-gun evidence on the ObamaRats at my Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl)
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