What Would You Do About The Illegal Alien Invasion?

August 13, 2008 | Tennessee Nana

[Bob]

Make Tax Day (15 April) and Election Day the same.

Here's another thought -- Pay all employees their gross pay and then have them write checks for their taxes.

Don't you think doing that would get people's attention? That little Tea Party in Boston could look like a stroll in the park by comparison.

[ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas]

>>You have no clue. Nothing the Federal Government imposes upon employers takes a “few seconds.”<<

You seem to be confused. Here is what you said from an earlier post:

>>I have to be honest. I don’t know what is involved.<<

[ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas]

>>As for employers, I wonder what makes you think they might not be presented with false documentation.<<

Of course illegals use false IDs, and some of them look very real. That’s why we have e-verify. Do you know of a case in which an employer truly did not know he/she was hiring illegals but was punished anyway?

[epow]

I can never understand how it is that people miss the absurdity of a government that can find evil businessmen who employ illegal aliens but cannot find the illegal aliens themselves

Honest, responsible business men and women don't break US law by hiring illegals. Prosecuting and imprisoning one or two notorious employers of illegals in every large and medium size city in every state as an example to others would do more to stop or slow illegal immigration than deporting a million illegals, although I favor doing both.

If employers know that they may go to prison for several years for the CRIME of hiring illegals they won't hire them, and when jobs are no longer available the illegals will go home.

The popular notion that illegals only take the jobs that Americans won't do would be amusing if it wasn't so outrageous. If every able bodied American man and woman who is on the welfare dole simply because they don't like working was pried off the government teat, most of them would take those "jobs that Americans won't do" rather than live hungry and cold in cardboard boxes or under bridges.

[ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas]

Me: >>Actually, that might be illegal. I think you need some kind of better justification than they are “obvious illegals.”<<

You: >>We are talking really obvious here. Let the police inquire.<<

Some cities don’t allow the police to enquire. But all of this would not be a problem if employers did not hire illegals.

>>Your argument here reminds me of something my leftwing, liberal sister might suggest.<<

I don’t think should be unreasonable for police to ask for proof of legal status (again, this assumes that their city allows them to check), but I think you are being unrealistic. We live in a system which, in this case I believe, the courts would not allow the police to do what you are suggesting.

[Razz Barry]

BTTT

[epow]

Here's another thought -- Pay all employees their gross pay and then have them write checks for their taxes.

Don't you think doing that would get people's attention?

You better believe it would.

Millions upon millions of wage earners don't even realize that the money with held from their paychecks and identified only by indecipherable codes on the check stub was their own hard earned money before the government got it's greedy, wasteful, dirty hands on it. The fact that the government took a king size bite out of every dollar they earned before they ever saw it doesn't seem to register on them.

I think your suggestion wouldn't just their get those taxpayers' attention, it would probably touch off a revolt at the next election that would clean house from the Capitol Building in Washington down to every state's General Assembly chambers.

And that is exactly why the big spending, big promising, high taxing, high living buffoons of both parties will never, ever allow taxes to be paid in the way you propose. They stay in power and keep the money rolling in by the same method farmers use to raise mushrooms, and that's by keeping us in the dark and feeding us bull****.

[Issaquahking]

If I say, I’ll be banned....

[ml/nj]

You seem to be confused.

Not me, Sherlock. I also do not know what is involved in overhauling an aircraft engine.

ML/NJ

[ml/nj]

Do you know of a case in which an employer truly did not know he/she was hiring illegals but was punished anyway?

No. And who cares. I am concerned with right and wrong, and whose job it should be to enforce immigration law in this country. You and others seem to think that the government law enforcement folks can wholely abandon their obvious responsibility; and instead criminalize ordinary business activity.

ML/NJ

[ml/nj]

If employers know that they may go to prison for several years for the CRIME of hiring illegals they won't hire them, and when jobs are no longer available the illegals will go home.

Maybe you haven't noticed. It has been a "crime" to hire illegals for quite some time, and they're still all here. I guess maybe it's not a crime to hand them welfare checks and food stamps.

ML/NJ

[ml/nj]

We live in a system which, in this case I believe, the courts would not allow the police to do what you are suggesting.

What is this, Wonderland? The police are not allowed to inquire, but some class of private citizens must inquire! How about if we forbid grocery stores from selling food to people who cannot prove they are here legally? We could fine or imprision all those mean grocery store owners who do not comply.

ML/NJ

[reagan_fanatic]

1) Employ elements of the U.S. military to patrol the border.

2) Agressively seek out and severely punish employers who knowingly hire illegals.

3) Start a public service campaign that says in no uncertain terms that if you are in this country illegally, we will find you and deport you. No exceptions.

4) Get that damned border wall built. Now.

[epow]

Maybe you haven't noticed. It has been a "crime" to hire illegals for quite some time, and they're still all here.

Maybe you haven't noticed that very few employers have even been fined for hiring illegals, much less put in prison. Put a few big name corporate CEOs like Tyson away for several years in a real prison instead of a country club resort type "prison" and see how many will continue hiring them.

[cricket]

The old 'secure our borders'. . .and start ridding every American street of the 'worst offenders' i.e. those illegals who are known 'felons' - or promise to be. That would be anyone with a 'gang tattoo'; gang associations. . .and those who have been here and never been gainfully employed. ; do not speak English. . .and who nonetheles, work our system for 'relief'.

IMHO; this should be our 'first wave' of attack. . .

[doc]

1. Take away $10,000.00 in aid from the country of origin for every illegal apprehended. If that person is caught again the fine doubles. The corrupt officials in Mexico wouldn’t want their cash cow to dry up so they would actually start patrolling their own borders.
2. Heavily fine employers who hire illegals. Second offense, jail time.
3. Cut all social benefits to illegals. Food stamps, housing, medical, education, etc...
4. Repeal the “anchor baby” law
5. Allow local law enforcement to detain illegals for deportation.
6. Demand proof of citizenship, especially at the voting polls.

[Kackikat]

The most intelligent comment today.

[ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas]

>>I am concerned with right and wrong<<

Let’s just say that we have very different ideas of what “right and wrong” means.

>>You and others seem to think that the government law enforcement folks can wholely abandon their obvious responsibility; and instead criminalize ordinary business activity.<<

There is certainly room for improvement in DHS, s for example, and some of the some of the bureaucrats do not seem to be trying too hard, but hiring illegals knowingly is not “ordinary business activity” any more than selling drugs or stealing someone else’s identity.