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`I don't know which side to blame` (Georgians blaming their president for war)
Guardian ^

Posted on 08/12/2008 2:26:10 PM PDT by kronos77

The cost of Georgia's ill-fated adventure against Vladimir Putin was beginning to sink in. Many blamed Georgia's president Mikhail Saakashvili — querying why he had taken on mighty Moscow given Georgia's military inferiority and the improbability of US intervention.

"Saakashvili has to resign. There is no other way," Misha Iashvili said, stopping to mend his truck next to a roadside café. Its owners had gone, locking up and leaving behind their neat dahlia garden. He added: "Russia had been close to us for years. It will defend us. The US and Europe won't."

By this afternoon the Russian ceasefire appeared to be holding — with the bombardment of Gori apparently over. A dead dog lay in the road; in the blown-out square a wrecked red Golf sat amid glass and debris. Stalin's statue appeared supernaturally undamaged; the Georgian flag hung from the unoccupied municipal hall.

Back in Tbilisi, Saakashvili defiantly addressed several thousand supporters who gathered this afternoon outside the parliament building. They cheered him and the Georgian national anthem, waving flags and marching down the road to Freedom Square. One placard showed Putin with the slogan: "Wanted: crimes against humanity and the world."

But among many the mood was sceptical. Georgia had taken on the Russian war machine — and lost. "Why did [Saakashvili] take on Russia with 10,000 soldiers? Maybe he was thinking somebody would help us. But nobody did help us," Bacho Janashia, a 24-year-old student said. "We hope Saakashvili disappears from Georgia. He's a bastard."

As dusk fell on Gori, two old ladies were trying to hitch a ride out; a fleet of fire engines arrived. "I don't know whether Gocha lived or died," Tamaz Beruashvili said. "He was covered in blood. There was no time to find out. But he wasn't moving."

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: blame; geopolitics; georgia; ossetia; russia; saakashvili; southossetia; war
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1 posted on 08/12/2008 2:26:10 PM PDT by kronos77
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To: joan; Smartass; zagor-te-nej; Lion in Winter; Honorary Serb; jb6; Incorrigible; DTA; ma bell; ...

Ping!


2 posted on 08/12/2008 2:26:36 PM PDT by kronos77 (Kosovo is Serbian Jerusalem. No Serbia without Kosovo.)
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To: kronos77

Bush’s fault....


3 posted on 08/12/2008 2:27:37 PM PDT by Always Right (Obama: more arrogant than Bill Clinton, more naive than Jimmy Carter, and more liberal than LBJ.)
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To: kronos77

There are two sides to this story, and I’m glad that FR allows both sides to be aired.


4 posted on 08/12/2008 2:27:55 PM PDT by LowTaxesEqualProsperity
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To: kronos77

Its like the good ol’ days for the Guardian, shilling for Moscow.


5 posted on 08/12/2008 2:28:12 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: kronos77

Most Georgians are spitting on the ground when they hear Sasshkavili’s name.

Calling Ted Kennedy-—get him a gig at the Kennedy School of Government. Or maybe to Holland where his wife is from.

I would rather send him to a legitimate criminal court but hopefully the Georgians will “take care” of him.


6 posted on 08/12/2008 2:30:29 PM PDT by eleni121 (EN TOUTO NIKA!! +)
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To: LowTaxesEqualProsperity

Im a Serb and I love bothe Russians and Georgians as our Orthodox brothers, this war was tragic, just tragic.


7 posted on 08/12/2008 2:31:23 PM PDT by kronos77 (Kosovo is Serbian Jerusalem. No Serbia without Kosovo.)
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To: eleni121

Some Georgians, but I wouldn’t say most. Maybe 30 percent or so. That’s about the same number that despised their president before this war, however.


8 posted on 08/12/2008 2:33:35 PM PDT by MarMema (Tavisuplebas dideba!)
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To: kronos77

“He added: “Russia had been close to us for years. It will defend us. The US and Europe won’t.”

Defend them from what? This remark makes no sense since it’s Russia currently doing the attacking.


9 posted on 08/12/2008 2:34:13 PM PDT by headstamp 2 (Been here before)
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To: kronos77
Here's one you will probably like, kronos...

From Accuracy In Media | AIM.ORG

Obama’s Red Mentor Praised Red Army
AIM Report | By Cliff Kincaid | April 30, 2008

Barack Obama’s childhood mentor, Frank Marshall Davis, a member of the Moscow-controlled Communist Party USA, wrote a poem dedicated to the Soviet Red Army. “Smash on, victory-eating Red Army,” he declared. He also wrote poems attacking traditional Christianity and the work of Christian missionaries.

The “Red Army” poem goes beyond hoping for the communists to beat the Nazis in World War II and hails the Soviet revolution. It says:

Show the marveling multitudes
Americans, British, all your allied brothers
How strong you are
How great you are
How your young tree of new unity
Planted twenty-five years ago
Bears today the golden fruit of victory!

http://www.aim.org/aim-report/obamas-red-mentor-praised-red-army/

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Frank Marshall Davis

Obama’s Communist Mentor
AIM Column | By Cliff Kincaid | February 18, 2008

excerpt...

"through Frank Marshall Davis, Obama had an admitted relationship with someone who was publicly identified as a member of the Communist Party USA (CPUSA). The record shows that Obama was in Hawaii from 1971-1979, where, at some point in time, he developed a close relationship, almost like a son, with Davis, listening to his 'poetry' and getting advice on his career path. But Obama, in his book, Dreams From My Father, refers to him repeatedly as just 'Frank.'

The reason is apparent: Davis was a known communist who belonged to a party subservient to the Soviet Union. In fact, the 1951 report of the Commission on Subversive Activities to the Legislature of the Territory of Hawaii identified him as a CPUSA member. What's more, anti-communist congressional committees, including the House Un-American Activities Committee (HUAC), accused Davis of involvement in several communist-front organizations."

Frank Chapman, a CPUSA supporter, has written a letter to the party newspaper hailing the Illinois senator's victory in the Iowa caucuses:

"Obama’s victory was more than a progressive move; it was a dialectical leap ushering in a qualitatively new era of struggle. Marx once compared revolutionary struggle with the work of the mole, who sometimes burrows so far beneath the ground that he leaves no trace of his movement on the surface. This is the old revolutionary 'mole,' not only showing his traces on the surface but also breaking through."
People's Weekly World (PWW), official newspaper of the Communist Party, USA

Source article: Obama’s Communist Mentor
http://www.aim.org/aim-column/obamas-communist-mentor/

10 posted on 08/12/2008 2:34:55 PM PDT by ETL (Lots of REAL smoking-gun evidence on the ObamaRats at my Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl)
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To: kronos77
"Russia had been close to us for years. It will defend us. The US and Europe won't."

Sure. Take a tour on You Tube and a trip down memory lane to just a few years back, idiot.

11 posted on 08/12/2008 2:35:21 PM PDT by MarMema (Tavisuplebas dideba!)
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To: MarMema
That happened in Serbia in 1999.
When NATo attacked we were all together, but AFTER the war US and NATO pointed Milosevic as a guilty person for the war and using money and blackmail overthrow him.

It is US recipe that Putin was, is and will follow.

12 posted on 08/12/2008 2:36:34 PM PDT by kronos77 (Kosovo is Serbian Jerusalem. No Serbia without Kosovo.)
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To: skeeter; kronos77

“Its like the good ol’ days for the Guardian, shilling for Moscow.”

The facts are the facts. Saakashvili miscalculated thinking Russia wouldn’t get involved when he should’ve known that Putin would be waiting for his opportunity for revenge over the Kosovo/Serbia affair and use the logic of the Clinton & Bush Administrations to his advantage.


13 posted on 08/12/2008 2:37:13 PM PDT by neutronsgalore (Nature, getting rid of Muslims one tsunami at a time.)
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To: MarMema

Sure. Take a tour on You Tube and a trip down memory lane to just a few years back, idiot.


Me?


14 posted on 08/12/2008 2:37:58 PM PDT by kronos77 (Kosovo is Serbian Jerusalem. No Serbia without Kosovo.)
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To: kronos77

The Guardian socialists are taking the side of the Russians.


15 posted on 08/12/2008 2:38:32 PM PDT by Soliton (> 100)
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To: neutronsgalore

Exactly. And apparently we were telling Saakashvili to lay low and NOT respond to provocations, but he did it anyway, perhaps gambling we would come in with jet fighters.


16 posted on 08/12/2008 2:39:01 PM PDT by MarMema (Tavisuplebas dideba!)
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To: kronos77

What we are seeing, is a different application of the “Bush Derangement Syndrome”, only for George W. Bush, the name of Mikheil Saakashvili is substituted. Saakashvili “caused” the unrest in South Ossetia, therefore, the Russian Federation had to “punish” him.

This is a conflict that Georgia neither initiated nor wanted, but was forced upon them by the bully tactics of the ethnic Russians that had been relocated there from back in the days of the old Soviet Union. It was a ticking time bomb awaiting detonation.


17 posted on 08/12/2008 2:39:29 PM PDT by alloysteel (Are Democrats truly "better angels"? They are lousy stewards for America.)
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To: kronos77

No the person in the article above who said Russia would protect them.


18 posted on 08/12/2008 2:39:37 PM PDT by MarMema (Tavisuplebas dideba!)
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To: eleni121

You need to work on your hatred and maybe review your theology, too. I am going to confession on Friday after liturgy to work on mine.
Hope you can relocate that love Christ told us to have for even our enemies.


19 posted on 08/12/2008 2:41:39 PM PDT by MarMema (Tavisuplebas dideba!)
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To: neutronsgalore
More than that. This was Russias gift to China.

China now sees how the US responded and how we will respond if China decides to take Formosa if they get more ‘independent’.

20 posted on 08/12/2008 2:41:44 PM PDT by BGHater (Democracy is the road to socialism.)
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