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1 posted on 08/12/2008 5:48:45 AM PDT by Tolik
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2 posted on 08/12/2008 5:50:13 AM PDT by Tolik
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I respect this man greatly, and I hate it that he’s correct.

I’d rather hear, “The bombings begin in ten minutes...”


3 posted on 08/12/2008 5:51:29 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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The Russians have sized up the moral bankruptcy of the Western Left. They know that half-a-million Europeans would turn out to damn their patron the United States for removing a dictator and fostering democracy, but not more than a half-dozen would do the same to criticize their long-time enemy from bombing a constitutional state.

Where are all the liberals? Where are the liberal activist MSM types denouncing Russia? Oh, how they hate the U.S., and are silent when the bear crushes a democracy. They are fools unworthy of pity.

4 posted on 08/12/2008 5:52:22 AM PDT by Obadiah (I remember when the climate never changed, then Bush stole the election.)
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Gori is the birthplace of Josef Stalin. No wonder Putin wants it back...............


6 posted on 08/12/2008 5:53:10 AM PDT by Red Badger (All that carbon in all that oil and coal was once in the atmosphere. We're just putting it back.....)
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The Russians rightly expect Westerners to turn on themselves, rather than Moscow — and they won’t be disappointed. Imagine the morally equivalent fodder for liberal lament: We were unilateral in Iraq, so we can’t say Russia can’t do the same to Georgia. (As if removing a genocidal dictator is the same as attacking a democracy). We accepted Kosovo’s independence, so why not Ossetia’s? (As if the recent history of Serbia is analogous to Georgia’s.) We are still captive to neo-con fantasies about democracy, and so encouraged Georgia’s efforts that provoked the otherwise reasonable Russians (As if the problem in Ossetia is our principled support for democracy rather than appeasement of Russian dictatorship).

How very sad but true.

8 posted on 08/12/2008 5:54:34 AM PDT by rhombus
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Solid work by Hanson.


10 posted on 08/12/2008 5:55:55 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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“The new reality is that a nuclear, cash-rich, and energy-blessed Russia doesn’t really worry too much whether its long-term future is bleak, given problems with Muslim minorities, poor life-expectancy rates, and a declining population. Instead, in the here and now, it has a window of opportunity to reclaim prestige and weaken its adversaries. So why hesitate?”

As I've said for years. A wounded bear is the most dangerous bear. They have nothing to lose at this point.

11 posted on 08/12/2008 5:57:48 AM PDT by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (If Hillary is elected, her legacy will be telling the American people: Better put some ice on that.)
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Outstanding article. We need to immediately convene NATO and grant membership to Ukraine. To show Putin that he may have won Georgia but he has lost Ukraine forever.


12 posted on 08/12/2008 6:01:16 AM PDT by mick
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Let’s hope VDH is wrong and that we have a few more cards up our sleeve.


14 posted on 08/12/2008 6:09:54 AM PDT by hershey
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i wonder when europe’s going to wake up?

angela merkel, the chancellor of germany, opposed georgia’s admission to nato last month, after president bush’s trip.

france had questions about the “balance of power” changing in europe if the ukraine and georgia were allowed to join nato.

so, there you are.


18 posted on 08/12/2008 6:15:58 AM PDT by ken21 (people die and you never hear from them again.)
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"The Russians have sized up the moral bankruptcy of the Western Left."

Everyone has. In fact, an oppressive oligarchy of thugs and tin-horn dictators, living in splendor--themselves, of course--is the Leftist Dream. Moral highmindedness is their camoflage, bread and circuses their handouts to the peasantry, but their moral bankruptcy is obvious to all but the delusional and the stupid.

21 posted on 08/12/2008 6:23:07 AM PDT by Savage Beast (Today Pelosi's going to save the planet. Last week she was Joan of Arc.)
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Most importantly, Putin and Medvedev have called the West’s bluff.
23 posted on 08/12/2008 6:37:16 AM PDT by brytlea (Obama--Jimmy Carter's Second Term)
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weak


25 posted on 08/12/2008 6:42:08 AM PDT by eclectic (Liberalism is a mental disorder)
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The Russians have sized up the moral bankruptcy of the Western Left. - VDH

Well yes, about 80 years ago.

Another bunch have sized it up too: Muslims. Here's a snip from "The Role of Islam in North Ossetia" by Mikhail Roshchin:

"While the majority of Ossetians are Christian, according to official estimates, 15-30 percent of the population is Muslim. The Ossetian capital of Vladikavkaz houses the central mosque, built in the beginning of the 20th century. Money for the construction of the mosque came from Azeri oil magnate Murtuza Mukhtarov, who married an Ossetian woman named Tuganova. (The mosque was built in the Egyptian style and has no architectural analogies in the North Caucasus.) But it was only after the collapse of the Soviet Union that a massive religious revival occurred. Islam began to be practiced more openly, with many Muslims adopting so-called Wahhabism, which is what fundamentalism is referred to in the North Caucasus."

Full commentary at www.jamestown.org/terrorism/news/article.php?articleid=2372087

As long as this conflict is framed in terms of Christians killing Christians, and a toddling democracy being mowed down by an undead and flesh-eating Soviet empire, Muslims will be reinforced, especially in their opinions of the moral bankruptcy of the West, its ruling left, plus its right and center.

26 posted on 08/12/2008 6:43:30 AM PDT by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (My spiritual advisor is a lawyer.)
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Yep, he nails it.


28 posted on 08/12/2008 6:48:10 AM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner ("We must not forget that there is a war on and our troops are in the thick of it!"--Duncan Hunter)
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With great and painful reluctance, I am forced to agree with the author.


32 posted on 08/12/2008 7:13:46 AM PDT by sourcery (Social Justice. n. 1. Enslavement of those who work for the benefit of those who don't.)
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They know that half-a-million Europeans would turn out to damn their patron the United States for removing a dictator and fostering democracy, but not more than a half-dozen would do the same to criticize their long-time enemy from bombing a constitutional state.

Brilliant essay, God I wish it weren't so true. The West's "civilized" ways may lead to the end of Western civilization. We assume that others will play by our rules but the world is run by force in the end, and I would prefer that force to be in the hands of people who love freedom rather than ruthless power-hungry dictators.

38 posted on 08/12/2008 7:50:53 AM PDT by RobFromGa (It's the Spending, Stupid! (not the method of collection))
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One thing VDH does not mention as a possible reprisal is us exercising again the “Afghan” option. Would it be possible for Vlad to learn the meaning of “Sin in Haste, Repent at leisure”?


40 posted on 08/12/2008 7:55:23 AM PDT by Riflema
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Ukraine has a sizable minority of russians amongst it, and if you think come a cold january the fops of euroland are going to go to bat for some color coded revolutianary up to his or her armpits in snaky deals (like the gas queen)then you will be disappointed.


45 posted on 08/12/2008 8:34:17 AM PDT by junta (White liberals the soft underbelly of the fat pig known as the Democratic party. apologies to pigs)
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Excellent article by VDH, as usual. The RATS in DC had better start waking up.


47 posted on 08/12/2008 8:53:30 AM PDT by jazusamo (DefendOurMarines.org | DefendOurTroops.org)
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