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Russia seizes Georgia base, opens second front
AP ^ | Aug 11, 2008 | MISHA DZHINDZHIKHASHVILI

Posted on 08/11/2008 8:16:28 AM PDT by Jeff Head

TBILISI, Georgia — Russia opened a second front of fighting in Georgia on Monday, sending armored vehicles beyond two breakaway provinces and seizing a military base and police stations in the country's west, the Georgian government and a Russian official said.

GEORGIAN FORCES

RUSSIAN FORCES


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TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: caucasus; energy; geopolitics; georgia; georgianconflict; russia; russianinvasion; southossetia; war
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To: E. Cartman

“When Bush first met Putin and said he had looked into Putin’s eyes and said, “I was able to get a sense of his soul, a man deeply committed to his country and the best interests of his country,” I knew he was a half-wit.”

Actually, he was right on the money. Putin IS deeply committed to his country, and it’s best interests... which he, (Putin), believes will benefit from a return to the old ways : |

Tatt


161 posted on 08/11/2008 9:28:54 AM PDT by thesearethetimes... ("Courage, is fear that has said it's prayers." Dorothy Bernard)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

FOX news reporting that Gori has been seized by Russian forces.


162 posted on 08/11/2008 9:30:28 AM PDT by BOBTHENAILER (One by one, in small groups or in whole armies, we don't care how we do it, but we're gonna getcha)
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To: Jeff Head
I agree, this is the option now.

Otherwise we will just encourage the Russians in their stupidity. We have to slap them back.

Also, just for good measure, I'd drop a BCT into the capital's of Ukraine, Poland, and the Baltic nations using the same process you described for Georgia.

The NATO is committed...Putin WILL back down. He's stupid but he aint stupid. ~grin~

163 posted on 08/11/2008 9:30:41 AM PDT by VaBthang4 ("He Who Watches Over Israel Will Neither Slumber Nor Sleep")
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To: ChinaThreat
I heard the exact same argument in 1939 regarding the Germans and the Poles. This will not end here, Ukraine is next followed by Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania.
164 posted on 08/11/2008 9:31:05 AM PDT by Camel Joe (liberal=socialist=royalist/imperialist pawn=enemy of Freedom)
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To: Jeff Head

Shades of Czechoslovakia and Hungary. We had some Hungarian neighbors and I can remember them cheering and then being sorely disappointed when the Russians overwhelmed the uprising. Was only 6 years old, but I can remember their short lived elation.


165 posted on 08/11/2008 9:31:14 AM PDT by The_Media_never_lie
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To: redstateconfidential

Absolutely disgusting... This is horrible. They will pay for being a U.S. satellite??? What the...? And Putin said we were friends? HA! I dare one of those Putin sympathizers to post that Russia isn’t our enemy now - they have made that decision already...


166 posted on 08/11/2008 9:31:21 AM PDT by LibertyRocks (LR's BLOG: http://libertyrocks.wordpress.com)
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To: magritte
That cemented my opinion of the President as well...has anyone heard McCain's thoughts on this deteriorating situation?...magritte

I had heard McCain saying that we should "support Georgia," but no specifics. However, when McCain explicitly acknowledged the importance of our recognizing Kosovar independence, I knew that whatever his foreign policy goals, they'll be as ill-informed and unrealistic as the current and previous administrations'.

167 posted on 08/11/2008 9:31:53 AM PDT by E. Cartman (Would you want your surgeon graduating at the bottom 1% of his class?)
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To: Jeff Head

Notice there are no “peace marches” going on anywhere in the world? Just like the days of the Cold War.


168 posted on 08/11/2008 9:32:15 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Obama: vain, mercurial, inexperienced, aloof, condescending, doctrinaire, and Reverend Wright's son.)
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To: Jeff Head

And the libs keep screaming that ours is a war for oil? No, THIS is what a war for oil looks like folks - complete and total domination - no help to become free, just complete subjugation. God bless Georgia and Eastern Europe. It would seem like the bear is out of hibernation...


169 posted on 08/11/2008 9:33:10 AM PDT by LibertyRocks (LR's BLOG: http://libertyrocks.wordpress.com)
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To: autumnraine
Such stupidity in these times! Russia is helping Iran not us. This will isolate Turkey from NATO forces in the South as Syria and Iran seize control of Lebanon.
170 posted on 08/11/2008 9:33:36 AM PDT by Camel Joe (liberal=socialist=royalist/imperialist pawn=enemy of Freedom)
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To: E. Cartman

I was going to bring up Bush’s soul moment with Putin. Glad you did. He was wrong to engage as equals because I don’t think there was ever any doubt in many minds that the USSR would attempt to rebuild. Seems at this point, it is a war for oil and they are taking opportunity to find those speaking out against it like Poland. Building excuses.


171 posted on 08/11/2008 9:34:06 AM PDT by commonguymd (A de facto single party country is nigh. The partisan bickering is a mere bilking mechanism.)
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla

The payback to Putin for this adventure should be major new U.S. military bases in the FSU. Preferably on former Soviet bases themselves. This invasion of Georgus is straight out of the Soviet playbook and is only going to get worse if we do nothing but talk.


172 posted on 08/11/2008 9:35:10 AM PDT by lodi90
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To: DoughtyOne
I agree. That is why we send in the transports, 1st with the Georgian troops and tell Putin to keep his hands off.

He will probably go along with that to begin with...and if he doesn;t than it just advances our plan to support Georgia.

Once we establish a defacto and large CAP ober Tiblisi for the initial transport purpose, then we maintain it, reinforce it, and then start a 24X7 air lift into Tiblisi of all the material the Georgians could ever hope for.

At that point, if Putin tries to stop it, which he would almost have to try and do, then we unleash our air power on Russian air units, and ground units inside of Georgia proper and stop the invasion and take over, then caloling for a cease fire in Georgia and a return to talks.

In order to do anything remotely similar, the plans have to already be in progress with those transports and their escorts in the air.

Putin thinks we are too weak willed to do something like that...that is where he needs to get his first surprize.

173 posted on 08/11/2008 9:36:22 AM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: All
Being energy dependent is about more than paying high dollar at the pump.

What is the cost of the Democrat "No Domestic Energy Policy?"

All of that puts the U.S. in a position that war for oil or
complete economic collapse will be our only choices.
You can't frustrate every source of domestic energy
without consequences. Our enemies will blackmail us
to the extent that we are vulnerable to blackmail.

The Democrats are leading us into a real war for oil.
A war we won't have the energy to fight.

174 posted on 08/11/2008 9:36:55 AM PDT by TigersEye (Berlin '36 ... Olympics for murdering regimes. ... Beijing '08)
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To: LibertyRocks

They are definitely toying with us.


175 posted on 08/11/2008 9:37:45 AM PDT by commonguymd (A de facto single party country is nigh. The partisan bickering is a mere bilking mechanism.)
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To: TigersEye
No domestic drilling.Did John Edwards get that memo?
176 posted on 08/11/2008 9:38:31 AM PDT by Texas Songwriter
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To: commonguymd

Is this the beginning of a reformulation of the USSR?

Unfortunately, yes.
177 posted on 08/11/2008 9:39:26 AM PDT by G8 Diplomat
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To: Girlene

I think Putin has the gall to do exactly that... I think they’ve been just itching for a few years now to weaken America and wait for the right time to strike. It’s not like they are not already assisting our enemies in the WOT by supplying Iran with arms & nuclear hardware. So much for those here at FR that were begging and pleading with us to “trust them”, and saying “things are so much better now” with Russia, and Putin’s just a wonderful leader. Yeah, right...


178 posted on 08/11/2008 9:39:39 AM PDT by LibertyRocks (LR's BLOG: http://libertyrocks.wordpress.com)
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To: The_Media_never_lie
I remember the Czech take over in just the same manner. I had relatives lving there on my Mom's Dad's side. It was a very disturbing, sad, and shameful time.

And it took us twenty years to undo i...and then only because the last eight of those years we had a Reagan who stood up four-square against the Soviets.

We need to do something to make sure this does not turn out the same way as Hungary oin '56 and the Czechs in '68.

179 posted on 08/11/2008 9:40:12 AM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Jeff Head
This business has gotten out of control. The Ukraine and other US allies are next. This was just the warning shot, it'll soon become time to take a stand against this commie thug. I would not be surprised if Iran did something soon too, like move into Iraq to “protect Iranian citizens”.
180 posted on 08/11/2008 9:40:26 AM PDT by newnhdad
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