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Iran’s vaunted 300-km range sea missile is non-existent
Debka ^ | 08.07.08

Posted on 08/09/2008 10:54:34 AM PDT by Perdogg

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If debka says it doesn't exist, should we worry?
1 posted on 08/09/2008 10:54:34 AM PDT by Perdogg
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To: Perdogg

As dubious Debka is at times, I think they are right on this. The Iranians are bluffing and blustering. Why would they else screech all the time how powerful they are while photoshoppin missile tests. Their only weapon against us is oil-price, potential nukes (not yet) and terrorism. Their conventional military capabilities are better than Saddam’s army but still a joke.


2 posted on 08/09/2008 10:57:17 AM PDT by SolidWood (God Bless Georgia and grant them victory over Russia!)
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To: Flavius; SandRat; SJackson; GOPJ; Munz; Quix; Ernest_at_the_Beach; mazack; SolidWood; ...

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3 posted on 08/09/2008 10:57:56 AM PDT by Perdogg
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To: Perdogg
I thought we had agreed to stop posting DEBKA publications?

Or was it to post DEBKA articles under HUMOR?

Regardless, a little DEBKA in the morning makes for regularity.

4 posted on 08/09/2008 11:00:49 AM PDT by Amerigomag
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To: Amerigomag
I thought we had agreed to stop posting DEBKA publications?

I hope not. Debka isn't really any worse than Al-Reuters or AP when it comes to reliability. At least Debka is not on the enemies side.

5 posted on 08/09/2008 11:02:31 AM PDT by SolidWood (God Bless Georgia and grant them victory over Russia!)
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To: Perdogg

OK IRGC,.. PUT UP or SHUT UP!

Fire one of these hummers at a target at sea under full international observance and monitoring every step of the way.

Ya do and hit the target OK.

Ya don’t do it or won’t do it then... HEY! IRGC SHUT UP!


6 posted on 08/09/2008 11:03:16 AM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country! What else needs said?)
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To: Perdogg

Well, no surprise here, sounds like the silkworm scare to me. We could shoot those down with a 5”54.
Jack


7 posted on 08/09/2008 11:03:36 AM PDT by btcusn
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To: SolidWood

Precisely. That’s been my impression as well. I posted once to another thread the analogy to Baghdad Bob style of BS which seems quite popular in the ME. Sabre rattling, and fiercesome facial expressions. Quite primitive, but effective apparently as nothing to date has been done about their aggression except talk.


8 posted on 08/09/2008 11:05:01 AM PDT by rockinqsranch (Say Obama were "Pinky", Then who is "The Brain"?)
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To: SolidWood

>>Their conventional military capabilities are better than Saddam’s army but still a joke.

I doubt they are that good.


9 posted on 08/09/2008 11:08:05 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Obama: Carter's only chance to avoid going down in history as the worst U.S. president ever.)
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To: Perdogg

If the insane Islamofacists in control of Iran, really had the firepower to take out Israel, our military bases in Iraq, and our Navy ships in their backyard. They would have done it without talking about it

10 posted on 08/09/2008 11:08:30 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (Obama, the Oreo CINO, wants special-ed treatment as our untouchable affirmative action candidate)
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To: Perdogg

Muzzies always bluster. At a certain point, civilized human beings stop taking them seriously, and eventually they give up and pick a new tactic. Notice how few “Muslims Will Kill the Great Satan” videos are being released these days. They couldn’t do it, and even they realize that they look like fools.

Believing their bluster is a waste of time. Personally, however, I think they should be struck just for spewing such stupidity and trying to upset civilized humanity. Guess it’s a good thing I’m not President...


11 posted on 08/09/2008 11:09:38 AM PDT by livius
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No kidding!? That’s cool.


12 posted on 08/09/2008 11:10:13 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Obama: Carter's only chance to avoid going down in history as the worst U.S. president ever.)
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To: rockinqsranch

The key to understanding all this is the difference between a “guilt” or “coscience” based society and an “honor” based society.

We in the West are “guilt” or “coscience” based. In short, facts matter, and actual capabilities and culpability matter. Truth matters. We therefore are concerned about backing up any claims we make.

Most of the ME are “honor” based. There, saving face is all that matters. If blustering and lying gets you by, that’s as good as doing. Facts are irrelevant.

Turning to these claims: The targets of the claims are two-fold. One is to save face with their own populace. We claim to have incredible weapons, and we do. The populace hears about those weapons and by and large thinks that’s just blustering. They expect the Iranian gov’t to counter with equally bold blustering in order to save face.

In fact, the Iranian gov’t also probably thinks a lot of our military might is just bluster. (That little problem of us taking down Iraq is something that can be handled through simple cognitive dissonance.)

Many in the West take Iran’s blustering seriously because we aren’t used to the “save face” mindset. We therefore become surprised when we find out they are making it up (although most freepers know better by now). We shouldn’t. The surprise should be if/when they ever tell the truth.


13 posted on 08/09/2008 11:18:21 AM PDT by piytar
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To: Perdogg
The P-270 Moskit (Russian: П-270 «Москит»; English: Mosquito) is a Russian supersonic ramjet powered cruise missile. Its GRAU designation is 3M80. And NATO reporting name is SS-N-22 Sunburn. The missile system was designed by the Raduga Design Bureau during the 1970s as a follow up to the SS-N-9 "Siren". The Moskit was originally designed to be ship launched, but variants have been adapted to be launched from land (modified trucks), underwater (submarines) and air (reportedly the Sukhoi Su-33, a naval variant of the Sukhoi Su-27). The missile can carry conventional and nuclear warheads.

Speed Mach 2.5

Operators Russia, China, Iran

14 posted on 08/09/2008 11:19:16 AM PDT by Jeremiah Jr (What would John Lennon do?)
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coscience = conscience. Sheesh.


15 posted on 08/09/2008 11:19:39 AM PDT by piytar
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To: Jeremiah Jr

Cool mock-up of the design they have there. Did they ever get it to work? Any actual verification that this thing exists? Any film of one flying? ANY verified tests?

The materials needed for a real ramjet are barely within reach of US and Japanese tech right now. Somehow doubt that Russia and/or China could pull it off, esp. a few years ago.

The ME types aren’t the only one who use bluster to “save face” in the face of Western military power and tech.


16 posted on 08/09/2008 11:26:25 AM PDT by piytar
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I am not sure about the source, but having said that...

http://www.rense.com/general59/theSunburniransawesome.htm


17 posted on 08/09/2008 12:02:11 PM PDT by Perdogg
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To: SolidWood

DEBKA is three, Israeli, children using a Ouija board, running W2k Sever Edition on an old 586, out of a kibbutz school near the Golan.


18 posted on 08/09/2008 12:02:18 PM PDT by Amerigomag
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To: piytar

Their entire culture is built on a lie: islam. There is no possibility of any truth, decency or anything else coming from any such muslim-dominated society.


19 posted on 08/09/2008 12:38:15 PM PDT by Emmett McCarthy
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To: Perdogg

Debka sucks, but Iran has been caught lying more than once about weapons development. Remember, they were dumb enough to think they could add missiles via Photoshop and get away with it.


20 posted on 08/09/2008 1:12:35 PM PDT by SlapHappyPappy
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