Posted on 08/09/2008 4:57:40 AM PDT by reaganaut1
Under the Section 8 federal housing voucher program, thousands of poor, urban and often African-American residents have left hardscrabble neighborhoods in the nation’s largest cities and resettled in the suburbs.
Law enforcement experts and housing researchers argue that rising crime rates follow Section 8 recipients to their new homes, while other experts discount any direct link. But there is little doubt that cultural shock waves have followed the migration. Social and racial tensions between newcomers and their neighbors have increased, forcing suburban communities like Antioch to re-evaluate their civic identities along with their methods of dealing with the new residents.
The foreclosure crisis gnawing away at overbuilt suburbs has accelerated that migration, and the problems. Antioch is one of many suburbs in the midst of a full-blown mortgage meltdown that has seen property owners seeking out low-income renters to fill vacant homes. The most recent Contra Costa County records available show that from 2003 to 2005, the number of Section 8 households in Antioch grew by 50 percent, to about 1,500 from 1,000. Many new residents are African-American; Antioch’s black population has grown to about 20 percent, from 3 percent in 1990.
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That is part of the program. I think $4 billion ofr cities to take over foreclosed properties - don’t pay taxes and they seize the property - fix them up and give them to “poor folks who have suffered the consequences of racism” all these long years. That is not quite correct. They give them to white trash too.
...I used to work in the rental office of a large apt complex....it’s hell to evict a Section 8 tenant...you’ve got to take all kinds of photos and documentation to the hearing....we had one where the pet urine was so heavy it actually buckled the floor....we had another guy who was on disability and every govt. program available....said he had a chronic bad back....yet on the night he skipped, he managed to wrestle the refrigerator out of the apt and into the back of his mazda pick up.
....you’d be surprised at how knowledgable these people are about welfare laws and regulations...being on the tit is a way of life for many....they know the ropes better than you do...once you get ensnared with them it’s hard to get free....stay clear of them if you can.
Bingo!
Not quite true. Unless a state has statutes that make discrimination based on source of income illegal, you CAN refuse to rent to S-8. I have done that for years.
On the other hand, running background checks on S-8 will invariably drag up many skeletons which will provide a basis for rejecting applicant.
Section 8 merely serves to disperse the deadbeats through the neighborhood instead of keeping them concentrated in dense, isolated public housing complexes. Like most forms of welfare, the program should be abolished.
Not so fast. It is Legal Aid/Poverty Law Programs that provide tenants with the guidance to screw landlords at every turn.
We just went through an issue with the courts where a Judge pulled out a big manual called the Michigan Landlord-Tenant Law and was quoting from that in some arguments. This book it turned out was published by the Michigan Poverty Law Program/U of M Law School. We tried to buy a copy and they asked us who we were. We were told we were not the kind of group (landlords) they sell to. I complained to my state Rep. regarding their refusal to sell us a copy produced with tax payer funds. He contacted them and they about faced. These are the real enemies in the low income landlord tenant wars.
There are landlord/property owners associations all over that can keep landlords informed and help fight the battles. t is one of the great joys of being a member: Doing battle with the system.
Yes, and the rules exist to perpetuate the therapuetic-administrative leviathan, not justice - least of all to the non-recipients in its path.
That Atlantic article is well worth reading. The results of this whole thing are very much a case of Liberals getting mugged by reality, and an “Oh we’re doing so much GOOD!” program creating much harm.
How F'ing much would a working stiff have to make to have $2200 to put down on rent? Plus I bet free health care, child care and food stamps are added to this mix!
No wonder we have 3rd generation welfare families.
>If you live in the “hood”, it’s difficult to avoid some association with dirtbags and gang bangers. If you move to the “burb” these associations may continue. Then you have the dirtbags and gang bangers introduced into the “burb”. I’ve seen it happen. Nice people move in. But some of their visitors, not so much. <
Which is why living in a rural area is preferable to a lot of people. In many country areas, it doesn’t matter what your color, people tend to have similar values, and they get along way better than do those crammed together in big cities.
The rule is that you can’t reject Section 8 if you’ve got any other Section 8 renters in any of your other properties. You don’t have to start taking Section 8 people if you don’t have any others. It does make it very hard to get out of renting to Section 8 once you start.
Section 8 used to be a better deal for landlords because the rent check went right to the landlord, and the government did pay for most of what was damaged. Now, neither is true and I would not touch Section 8.
Talk about a welfare queen....at $2,200 per month that’s a nicer home than most FReepers have. I know it’s more than my mortgage.
two-thirds of the rent of $2,200 is $1,465. That's $17,600 a year. $8.50 a hour for a 40 hour week.
The federal government is giving that much money to poor people so they can live in the burb's???
We have lost our ******* minds, that we as citizens aren't marching on DC.
The former home owner moved and the new owner, I thought, are probably renters.
I wondered how people who look and dress like a small step up from the ghetto, have two Lexus, muliple children, and surly attitudes could afford to live in my neighborhood
The housing crunch in Florida is fertile ground for people who own homes that are struggling to pay their mortgage, rent them out to section -8 vouchers.
Subsidy your high mortgage and live in a cheap rental unit until the housing market comes back so you can sell your home and not lose your ass
They did this in Pittsburgh a few years ago. They moved the lowest scum of all from Braddock where they burned down several multi-family housing units (no I’m not exagerating) to the nice suburbs (not the lower price houses, but houses at the higher end of the market, including new construction single family housing!)
In one area the moving truck were met by protesters who refused to allow the section 8 tenants to unload the trucks and move in. In the front of the line blocking access? Black families who worked their way out of the ghetto who didn’t want their new neighborhoods to go to hell.
“Which is why living in a rural area is preferable to a lot of people.”
.....we got out of the suburbs/exburbs in 2005 and relocated to a rural county in N.C.....it is 97% anglo-european/judeo-christian and in many respects is like America used to be...we bought a hollow at the end of the road and have quiet and privacy....we were surprised when we learned we had neighbors from Mass, Wisc and Virginia...all of them had left urban/suburban areas and mentioned reasons like drugs,crime,gangs,taxes,failed schools ect.
.....I hope that anybody reading this will take heart...it’s not easy to relocate, but if you’ve always dreamed of living in a special place, start planning today...it took us almost 10 months to move plus another 10 to fix up our new place but we’re glad we did....I wouldn’t trade anything for the life we have now....good luck to everyone!
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