Drexel opens new institute to study plasma

philadelphia.bizjournals.com ^ | 08/07/08 | Peter Key

[Red Badger]

Star Trek device coming soon.............

[kcm.org]

When this tumor began on my nose, Red Badger, I would slice it open to relieve the pressure.

You may choose to not believe me on this, but, as I was slicing that [bleep] open, by the time I had reached the bottom of the tumor, the starting point would have healed--without any scar.

Well, there ya go FReeper, you will find that program interesting, all right?

[Gamecock]

So the plasma affected the plasma?

[Red Badger]

LOL!!!!GOOD ONE!!!!!!!!!................

[Red Badger]

This device could be a life saver for EMT and military medics/corpsmen to use. Imagine instantly clotting serious wounds so blood losses would be stopped until the patient/soldier could get to a hospital...............

[Red Badger]

This could be interesting for diabetes ping lists............Is there a general medical/health ping list?.............

[Hacklehead]

“Drexel researchers have shown they can generate plasma inside a sealed envelope that can kill plasma spores in the envelope.”

Plasma spores?? Must be from some space critter.

[Rick.Donaldson]

Just a couple of quick thinking things....

the sharp discharge you get walking across the carpet and touching the door knob is static electricity.. and yes, the air DOES ionize around it (otherwise the discharge could not happen).

Also, something most people do not know.

When lightning strikes and the air ionizes large quantities of O3, also known as ozone is created. Some of you might know this, but many higher quality hot tubs use an ozone generator to kill bacteria.

It’s the ozone that does this, not the “plasma”.

Methinks they are looking in the wrong place.

[AmericaUnited]

And most don't know that the fluorescent and neon lights lights they see/use daily are “PLASMA” devices... gases being ionized by high frequency, high voltage.

[LurkingSince'98]

“It’s the ozone that does this, not the plasma. Methinks they are looking in the wrong place.”

Youthinks - not quite right.

These guys definitely know the difference between the cold plasma they generate and O3 generation.

Cold Plasmas can be tuned via frequency and power levels to produce little or no ozone.

The effects they are working on can be controlled so that ozone is eliminated.

Plus ozone oxidized the crap out of tissue and plasma.

Two different critters cold plasma and ozone.

Regards,
Lurking’

[Lurker]

Imagine instantly clotting serious wounds so blood losses would be stopped

We've already got that:

Link to more information. I've used the stuff. It's amazing. There are already confirmed instances of this stuff being used by the USMC in the field.

One Marine was saved after his jugular was severed by a bullet. It's also proven to work on arterial bleeds.

Cost: About 10 bucks.

I highly recommend you add it to your family first aid kit. You do have a family first aid kit, right?

L

[kcm.org]

No expert, but the crap that came out of my nose wasn’t blood or pus and would squirt easily to the ceiling. Maybe that crud was some kind of plasma.

[Rick.Donaldson]

Well.. no I don’t think I am wrong here.

See... the point here is that when blood was exposed it coagulated.

I guess you missed that part.

I’m certain the guy doing this wasn’t that aware of what happens in blood, how it coagulates or why electrical signals or current might cause it.

Ozone indeed can cause tissue damage. I wasn’t saying that this was the only thing.

No, I’m not thinking wrongly here. :)

[Rick.Donaldson]

http://www.odu.edu/ao/instadv/quest/coldplasma.html

Check that out.

(By the way, I DO know the difference in ozone and plasma, and I know the difference is “cold” and “hot” plasma :))

[Rick.Donaldson]

I’d like to point out that this “ain’t new”....
Check the DATES...

http://www.space.com/businesstechnology/technology/cold_plasma_000724.html

Force Fields and ‘Plasma’ Shields Get Closer to Reality
By James Schultz
Special to SPACE.com
posted: 07:00 am ET
25 July 2000

Space-borne protective energy systems, like the deflector shields on the fictional starship U.S.S. Voyager, are on the drawing board of real-world scientists.

These “cold plasmas” — analogs to the sophisticated defensive grids envisioned by Star Trek’s creators — are ambient-temperature, ionized gases related to those found deep within the sun’s core.

Such plasmas are capable of shielding satellites and other spacecraft, making them invisible to radars, or both. Nor will they fry electronics or melt metal.

[LurkingSince'98]

ok, check this out:

http://linkinghub.elsevier.com/retrieve/pii/S0188440906002232

The title of which is: “Blood Coagulation Unaffected by Ozonated Autohemotherapy in Patients on Maintenance Hemodialysis”

Plus ozone has been in active use around the world for years - yet no citations for it being used to coagulate blood - quite the contrary the literature says otherwise.

Plus theirs is a Plasma lab not an ozone lab - hence the interest in the fact that the plasma is doing the coagulating.

Plus in the article you site - it states that it's the plasma that does the sterilizing nothing about ozone.

Have to finish a project, bye for now.
Regards,

Lurking’

[Rick.Donaldson]

I never SAID it was necessarily ozone. I said I don’t think they are looking at EVERYTHING. Ozone was an example.

sigh.

This theory is just that, theory. There has been a lot of discussion of plasma for a LONG time, and the guy who is alleged to have ‘discovered’ this wasn’t the first to find it. Studies of cold plasma have been on-going for a very long time.

I don’t believe that there is anything to the theory that cold plasma causes blood to coagulate (ANY MORE than I BELIEVE ozone does it).

I’m merely stating that they aren’t looking in the right place.

I find it pretty funny that whenever I say something, there’s always one person in the thread that seems to take something out of context and hammer on it in an effort (it seems to me) to detract from the actual conversation. hahaha

Take care and enjoy that “other project”.

[brityank]

Thanks to that link I found confirmation of something I have known for a while, but it's not recommended to use in most cases.

Nature provides us with wonderfully redundant systems when it deems a system important to our survival. Certainly, keeping our blood inside our body where it belongs is one of those things important to our survival. Our bodies have multiple complex systems to help make sure this happens. The two main systems are platelet activation and the coagulation cascade. QuikClot® brand zeolite based products work in both these systems.

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QuikClot® products also work in the coagulation cascade. The specific engineered zeolite used contains a cation (Ca++) that is a cofactor in many steps of the coagulation cascade. Also, there is evidence from Professor Stucky’s group that QuikClot® facilitates a phenomenon widely known as the "glass effect". It has been known since the 1800’s that blood clotted faster than otherwise when it came in contact with glass. Since then, it has been shown that this is due to the negative surface charge found on glass. Further research tells us that the negative surface potential activates a protein at the very beginning of the contact pathway, one of the two chains in the coagulation cascade. Ostomel has clearly demonstrated in thromboelastography (TEG) that the surface charge and isoelectric point of zeolite promote rapid onset of clotting and strong clot formation as a result of protein activation in the coagulation cascade.

From the PDF at Z-Medica's FAQ.

I'd gotten a severe cut on my leg as a kid, and my Dad grabbed a small pane of glass and pressed it onto the cut, holding it there for about ten minutes or so; it stopped the bleeding better than a bandage would, and healed without any now-noticeable scar.

Looks like that QuikClot^® should be in everyone's First Aid Kit; it will be added to mine; thanks.

[Lurker]

Brityank,

You're quite welcome. They also make some handy bandages treated with the stuff. One is a 'plain' and the other is an anti-bacterial variant.

I've got a couple of each plus a packet of the powder in my first aid kit. The powder version comes in a handy trauma pack. It's about halfway down the page.

I figure it's pretty cheap insurance.

L

[neverdem]

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