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It Ain’t Over ‘Till The Fat Lady Sings - - And She Just Hired New Songwriters (Hillary 4 Prez?)
Friends and Fiends at Network and in DC | MB26

Posted on 08/07/2008 5:41:15 AM PDT by MindBender26

It Ain’t Over ‘Till The Fat Lady Sings - - And She Just Hired New Songwriters

The Washington – New York news phones lines were buzzing last night and again this morning. The news is considered so volatile two national news producers were telephoned after 11:30 last night for their input. The story? Hillary Clinton is removing her support (such as it was) from Barack Obama and plans for a knock-down floor fight for the nomination at the Democrat Convention in Denver.

The reason for this is simple, she thinks she can win the nomination, and only she can win the General, and so do many top old line Dems.

Support for Obama from the Washington Dem power elite has been all but absent in the last month. The Super Senators, Kennedy, Biden, Dodd, Schumer and others have not been making headlines for Obama. Terry McAuliffe has been all but silent, and “Screamin’ Dean”; who pressed his mute button? The two co-chairs of the national “Our Great-Great-Great Grandfathers were oppressed… so give us money” crusade, Jackson and Sharpton must be on tour in Mongolia, because they haven’t been making headlines for Obama here.

One overriding argument pervades all their thinking, Obama can’t win the National, and Hillary can. The poll results after Obama’s “We Is The World” tour have been a disaster. It provided a dip, rather than a bump for Barack! Pollsters expected him to be at least 12 to 14 points ahead now, and he is even at best. Obama always gets results about 4% less than he polls, so if the election were held today, it would be McCain in monstrous win.

The Obama decline is clearly indicated in one supposed battleground state, Florida. Obama was up until recently. Now Obama is now down 6 among all voters and one reliable unreleased poll has McCain up 8 among the likely voters. On top of it all, Obama is still sinking, and what possible new message to attract voters does he have? When he shouts “We Must Change”, the crowd is thinking, “Oh, he’s changing his position again.”

I was with him in Lakeland last week (on assignment.) The small crowd was NOT pumped at all.

With that in mind, Hillary is warming up the crowds, and the hormones. She has had the Summer off. She is rested. There was plenty of time for charm lessons.

She can go to Denver not officially supporting, but certainly not discouraging, a floor vote movement. Her mantra? “Count Every Vote!”

The upstart’s message would be very clear; “We Want Hillary For President, and She Wants It Too!”

Hillary would never attack Obama publicly, but loudly decry “Those Republicans for Barack’s disastrous slide in the polls.”

Remember, she is only a few votes behind him in the Dem delegate count, has never released her delegates, and the delegates, especially the Superdelegates, can vote for whomever they wish. There is no legal mandate to support the candidate they promised to support back when they were elected in the primaries.”

Who would support Hillary? The list is extensive.

First, old line Dem Labor. They have votes, a “volunteering” machine and money…. and are far from wild about Obama.

Secondly, the Gay vote. They rarely declare WHY they are for a candidate, but they have huge amounts of money, and are madly in love with Hillary (in more ways than one, perhaps?)

The Dem political machine, all the way down to county level. They want coattails.

The Hispanic vote. Hispanics don’t like Obama, (or Blacks in general) very much. Hispanics love Hillary.

The Women. Down deep, the Rev. Wright may be acceptable to the far-left wing of the Dem party but he scares the hell out of middle of the road women. Dems can expect the Republican 527s to pound that Rev. Wright-Obama connection again and again in the General.

Hard-core Feminists. Do we need an explanation here?

Finally, the Black vote! Of course there would be a revolt in the ranks… for about 10 days. But then Jackson and Sharpton would explain that it was necessary because of the all the damage Republicans had done to Obama…. and a Clinton - -Obama ticket is orgasmic for Dems.

Why would Jackson and Sharpton be onboard? Because they have to be, and because they hate Obama. He didn’t “pay his dues in blood in the streets of Selma.” He didn’t “March with Martin.”

Worst of all for them, an Obama in the White House takes away all the “Poor Oppressed Black People Need Government Help… (and our help, personally) rap that has empowered Jackson and Sharpton for decades. Also, Obama is an ACORN man, not Rainbow/PUSH or National Action Network.

Obama would be told, “You cannot win. That’s your fault. Take the VP slot and smile… and be President in eight years, or leave quietly now.”

Bottom line, Hillary reassembles the entire classic Democrat – Liberal coalitions Dems need to win. High-level Dems are not dumb, at least not stupid, at least in the world of down and dirty electoral politics. They will do what they need to do to win.

In the end, the media would love the fight and the Obama supporters would hate it… for a few weeks, then fall in line behind Hillary. They are pragmatists, not racial ideologs. They would do anything to defeat McCain.

Will this happen? Time will tell, but Hillary is certainly, and quietly, pushing it very hard.


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2008; 2008dncconvention; demagogues; democrats; dnc; hillary; obama; operationchaos
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To: MindBender26
Hillary Clinton is removing her support (such as it was) from Barack Obama and plans for a knock-down floor fight for the nomination at the Democrat Convention in Denver.

For political junkies, It doesn't get any better than this.
101 posted on 08/07/2008 8:49:06 AM PDT by no dems ("Extremism in the defense of Liberty is no vice...." Barry Goldwater)
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To: MindBender26
Hillary Clinton is removing her support (such as it was) from Barack Obama and plans for a knock-down floor fight for the nomination at the Democrat Convention in Denver.

For political junkies, It doesn't get any better than this.
102 posted on 08/07/2008 8:49:06 AM PDT by no dems ("Extremism in the defense of Liberty is no vice...." Barry Goldwater)
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To: MindBender26
Will this happen? Time will tell, but Hillary is certainly, and quietly, pushing it very hard.

I would love to see it, but is there any proof of that she is "pushing" this?
103 posted on 08/07/2008 8:55:08 AM PDT by no dems ("Extremism in the defense of Liberty is no vice...." Barry Goldwater)
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To: wequalswinner
Does anyone here really think that the blacks will riot if that were to happen?

I DO!!!
104 posted on 08/07/2008 9:01:06 AM PDT by no dems ("Extremism in the defense of Liberty is no vice...." Barry Goldwater)
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To: MindBender26; potlatch; devolve; ntnychik; MeekOneGOP; Grampa Dave; LucyT; Fred Nerks; ...

105 posted on 08/07/2008 9:02:01 AM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: smedley64
Yeah, I had fun with that. Getting into the swing and cadence of Jessie wasn't too hard...
106 posted on 08/07/2008 9:11:56 AM PDT by MindBender26 (Leftists stop arguing when they see your patriotism, your logic, your CAR-15 and your block of C4.)
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To: PhilDragoo

Ein Volk!
Ein Reich!
Ein Dyke-Bitch!


107 posted on 08/07/2008 9:14:23 AM PDT by MindBender26 (Leftists stop arguing when they see your patriotism, your logic, your CAR-15 and your block of C4.)
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To: MindBender26

108 posted on 08/07/2008 9:22:51 AM PDT by Revolting cat! (Are you ready to pray for Teddy?)
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To: MindBender26; Rushmore Rocks; potlatch; devolve; Jeff Head; MeekOneGOP; Lady Jag; ...

Thank you, Drumbo and PhilDragoo.

Pinging everyone to the theatre of high drama.


109 posted on 08/07/2008 9:24:27 AM PDT by LucyT (What happens in Denver won't stay in Denver... August 25 - 28, 2008)
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To: wequalswinner

Yes, I have said all along that whether Obama wins or loses I am worried what will happen in the town where I live.


110 posted on 08/07/2008 9:38:57 AM PDT by kalee
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To: LucyT
I heard a sound clip from Bill Clinton this morning on Limbaugh's show. He commented that the Constitution sets the requirements to run for President. I wonder if that's a veiled reference to the requirement to be a native born citizen. Obama has yet to conclusively demonstrate that he meets that requirement. He has conclusively demonstrated that he is capable of offering fraudulent documents to try to meet the requirement. That may be an actionable criminal act. The RAT convention is going to be quite a circus.
111 posted on 08/07/2008 10:08:28 AM PDT by Myrddin
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To: Revolting cat!
The Clintons have always been ones to carefully choose their phraseology to leave themselves an out. Hillary "suspended" her campaign, she neither quit, nor admitted defeat, nor conceded the nomination. Ergo, she is still in play.

COnsidering the number of liberals who would vote for her and not for Obama, and the fact that she would reap many of those defecting votes from McCain as well, I think it is a real possibility that she will end up on the ballot, even without the Arkanside option.

112 posted on 08/07/2008 10:22:02 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: Drumbo

Oh, sorry, I omitted your name when I pinged everyone.


113 posted on 08/07/2008 10:26:27 AM PDT by LucyT (What happens in Denver won't stay in Denver... August 25 - 28, 2008)
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To: Smokin' Joe
"The Washington – New York news phones lines were buzzing last night and again this morning. The news is considered so volatile two national news producers were telephoned after 11:30 last night for their input. The story? Hillary Clinton is removing her support (such as it was) from Barack Obama and plans for a knock-down floor fight for the nomination at the Democrat Convention in Denver."

The whole speculative article would have been more credible if the author (MB26) had provided a bit more detail in the beginning, regarding Mizz Hillary "removing her support". How is it known, where is it known, what is the evidence that she is? As it is it sounds like little more than conjecture from beginning to end.

114 posted on 08/07/2008 10:27:56 AM PDT by Revolting cat! (Are you ready to pray for Teddy?)
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To: Myrddin
He (Clinton) commented that the Constitution sets the requirements to run for President. I wonder if that's a veiled reference to the requirement to be a native born citizen.

Here's his carefully worded phrase:

“I think everybody’s got a right to run for president who qualifies under the Constitution"

115 posted on 08/07/2008 10:44:24 AM PDT by LucyT (What happens in Denver won't stay in Denver... August 25 - 28, 2008)
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To: Revolting cat!
Revealing sources can reveal identities this early on if it is true.

Even so, I have been expecting a move like this since Hillary used the word "suspended" as opposed to saying "concluded" in reference to her campaign. I half-expected Obama's plane to experience serious problems in the air (as one did, but not that serious), but failing that, realized she could do more to harm him by being behind the scenes than in direct confrontation (cheaper, too).

When you consider people who haggle over the meaning of "is", and use that haggling to their political advantage, "suspended" meant just that.

She has the opportunity to pick up votes from Dem nobama slackers and McCain as well.

116 posted on 08/07/2008 10:45:54 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: Lou L
Dana Milbank of the Washington ComPost makes the rest of the MSM sound like writers for National Review by comparison when it comes to expressing vitriolic contempt for President Bush. Milbank has been one of the guys attacking Obama of late.

I still don't see how Obama can be denied the nomination, short of an "accident," so my guess is the strategy will be to go so negative on McCain that his own mother won't vote for him. But maybe there are limits to how much impact that kind of tactic can have.

117 posted on 08/07/2008 11:03:29 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: no dems

Hillary’s pitch to the Democrat party is a simple one, and no matter how it is phrased, it amounts to this:

“The Democrat party will be slaughtered nationwide if it depends solely on the negro vote. However, while we will be punished if the negroes do not support us, we will survive.”

“Blacks are only 12% of the US population, and far less than 12% of the voting population. One quarter of black men cannot vote because they have felony convictions. Obama cannot win, but he can destroy the Democrat party if he is the nominee.”

This also means that if Hillary does win, she will systematically purge the far left wing of the Democrat party. She will do this because she has to, they will become her worst enemies. And even though the Democrats will still lose badly in every district that has a black swing vote, a far more moderate Democrat party will recover much faster.

The radical shift of the party in 1968 will be reversed.


118 posted on 08/07/2008 11:10:06 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: LucyT; AdmSmith; Berosus; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; george76; ..

Thanks. And this time for sure, have a great day, all.


119 posted on 08/07/2008 11:32:49 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______Profile hasn't been updated since Friday, May 30, 2008)
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To: Smokin' Joe
Revealing sources can reveal identities this early on if it is true.

OK, but dig this:

"New York news phones lines were buzzing last night and again this morning"

The first sentence suggests that many people know. Know what? That "Hillary Clinton is removing her support" . I'm asking, what's the evidence that she is?

120 posted on 08/07/2008 12:31:23 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Are you ready to pray for Teddy?)
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