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Al-Qaeda faces Islamist backlash
BBC News ^ | August 7, 2008 | Frank Gardner

Posted on 08/07/2008 2:03:03 AM PDT by Schnucki

Al-Qaeda's violent methods and tactics have been coming under mounting criticism this year from Islamist scholars who once supported it.

One by one they have been coming out in public to denounce the organisation's actions as being counterproductive.

But at the same time, a leading British de-radicaliser says the number of young British Muslims attracted to violent extremism is growing - and, he claims, the UK government is partly to blame.

In the living room of his London home, the Libyan former jihadist Nu'man Bin Othman reads out part of the open letter he sent recently to al-Qaeda's no 2 and chief strategist, Dr Ayman al-Zawahiri.

He tells him that al-Qaeda's tactics have been a failure and - most damningly - its methods un-Islamic.

He even questions its very claim to speak for Muslims.

Comrades in arms

What is so striking about this is that Bin Othman is no armchair commentator, he is a former comrade-in-arms of Osama Bin Laden.

Together they fought the communists in Afghanistan in the 1990s and as recently as the summer of 2000 he attended the al-Qaeda leader's 'summit' of jihadists in Afghanistan.

Yet now, while like many Muslims he still deeply disapproves of western policies and actions in the Middle East, Bin Othman is telling his former allies that al-Qaeda's strategy of apparent indiscriminate killing is wrong.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.bbc.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: alqaeda; alqaida; globaljihad; islam; mohammedanism; muslim; muslims; thebase

1 posted on 08/07/2008 2:03:03 AM PDT by Schnucki
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To: Schnucki

This is great. We need these people. we really need them.


2 posted on 08/07/2008 2:05:35 AM PDT by se_ohio_young_conservative (Dont stop believin... John McCain in 08 !)
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To: Schnucki

‘Bout d... time! Long overdue. Will hold back the hope and wait for some REAL progress from these jerks!


3 posted on 08/07/2008 2:12:43 AM PDT by FixitGuy (By their fruits shall ye know them!)
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To: Schnucki
Now if we ever hear some of this from our oil sheik buddies(???) whom we've made shockingly rich by burning up their oil, that will be something!

We've made them so much money, they can build islands full of unoccupied houses in the sea and indoor ski resorts in the desert!

An absolutely sinful waste of resources!

We should sic Gore on 'em.

4 posted on 08/07/2008 2:20:11 AM PDT by FixitGuy (By their fruits shall ye know them!)
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To: se_ohio_young_conservative
I'd make a clear difference between (moderate/nominal/secular) Muslims who really denounce Al-Qaeda, and radical Islamists as quoted in the article (denounce the organisation's actions as being counterproductive.) In other words they support the terrorist cause but are dissapointed by the lack of success. I think we can do without these "friends". We need the cooperation of the first, but definitely not the latter.
5 posted on 08/07/2008 2:41:10 AM PDT by SolidWood (McCantor 2008. Stop Obamarx!)
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To: Schnucki
He blames western foreign policy for playing into the hands of jihadi recruiters and says the UK government should do more to listen to Muslim grievances.

I will agree that the UK government should listen to Muslims. They should listen to the Imams speeches and sermons and if they speak against the UK’s laws or call for Jihad against the UK they should be deported back to their home country.

The UK should also immediately tighten their laws on immigration and asylum. Those laws should be written to tighten the rules against immigration from countries known to be terror exporting.

6 posted on 08/07/2008 3:13:54 AM PDT by Pontiac (Your message here.)
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To: SolidWood
In other words they support the terrorist cause but are dissapointed by the lack of success.

I agree with you.

The US has handed al Qada their a$$ while only half trying. The Islamists are not happy that Islam is now seen as weak.

Of course to a religious fundamentalist if your endeavor did not work it was not supported by God and it therefore could not be Islamically correct.

7 posted on 08/07/2008 3:22:18 AM PDT by Pontiac (Your message here.)
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To: Schnucki

They finally noticed AQ is not very nice?


8 posted on 08/07/2008 3:41:31 AM PDT by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: Schnucki
I didn't bother reading the article. From the comments it looks like they're unhappy with the lack of success. Also I'd venture that the are blowing up too many fellow mooselimes while attempting to blow up us and any Iraqi who wants to live anything other than a taliban lifestyle.

I'm an American and as such am all for freedom of religion. Read the koran. It's a cult and a political movement.
9 posted on 08/07/2008 3:47:19 AM PDT by GeneralisimoFranciscoFranco (I love liberals. They taste like chicken.)
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To: Pontiac

The UK government IS to blame. By bending over backwards to appease Muslims every complain, young Muslims might draw the conclusion that they can win the culture war. If so, why not go the final step and be one of the Islamic victors enjoying the Dhimmi spoils? On the other hand, if the Government would stop this PC nonsense and deport these radical Imams (and jail terrorist wannabees) this whole problem could be solved in one generation. As the Japanese say, you hammer down the nail that sticks up.


10 posted on 08/07/2008 4:01:38 AM PDT by rbg81 (DRAIN THE SWAMP!!)
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They may disagree with al-Qaeda to a degree, but the ultimate goal of their supremacist agenda is real. They may say they disagree with the violent tactics, but they are quieting critics through the law, ACLU and establishing a sub-culture within the world. Footbaths, employers adjusting schedules for Islamic prayer time, separate dorm facilities...people do not be deceived...Islamization is here


11 posted on 08/07/2008 4:05:55 AM PDT by Victory111
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To: Schnucki

They don’t agree Al Qaeda because the method reveal who they are, and put these ‘moderates’ in a difficult position to spread Islam in democratic countries.


12 posted on 08/07/2008 4:20:35 AM PDT by paudio (Like it or not, 'conservatism' is a word with many meanings. Yours may be different from mine.)
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To: rbg81
As the Japanese say, you hammer down the nail that sticks up.

And if the nail can not be hammered down you cut off its head.

13 posted on 08/07/2008 4:21:04 AM PDT by Pontiac (Your message here.)
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