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FBI used aggressive tactics in anthrax probe (Ivins another Richard Jewell, Steve Hatfill?)
Yahoo News ^ | 8/5/08 | Pete Yost

Posted on 08/05/2008 8:16:19 PM PDT by Wolfstar

WASHINGTON - Before killing himself last week, Army scientist Bruce Ivins told friends that government agents had stalked him and his family for months, offered his son $2.5 million to rat him out and tried to turn his hospitalized daughter against him with photographs of dead anthrax victims.

The pressure on Ivins was extreme, a high-risk strategy that has failed the FBI before. The government was determined to find the villain in the 2001 anthrax attacks; it was too many years without a solution to the case that shocked and terrified a post-9/11 nation.

The last thing the FBI needed was another embarrassment. Overreaching damaged the FBI's reputation in the high-profile investigations: the Centennial Olympic Park bombing probe that falsely accused Richard Jewell; the theft of nuclear secrets and botched prosecution of scientist Wen Ho Lee; and, in this same anthrax probe, the smearing of an innocent man — Ivins' colleague Steven Hatfill.

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TOPICS: Anthrax Scare; Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: anthrax; bruceivins; fbi; hatfill; ivins; jewell
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The news about Ivins is being met with a huge amount of skepticism. It's being leaked in bits and pieces, a technique that bears all the hallmarks of how Richard Jewell, Steven Hatfill and other innocent people have been treated by the FBI.

Even the lawyer for a widow of one of the victims says he is skeptical.

Richard Schuler, attorney for anthrax victim Robert Stevens' widow, Maureen Stevens, said his client will attend Wednesday's FBI briefing with a list of questions.

"No. 1 is, 'Did Bruce Ivins mail the anthrax that killed Robert Stevens?'" Schuler said, adding, "I've got healthy skepticism."

The FBI's reputation is in tatters, and no one trusts them anymore. In addition to the Jewell, Hatfill, Ruby Ridge, Waco, and other cases, don't forget that the FBI's once-reputable crime lab was found to have been manufacturing evidence for many court cases during the 1990's.

1 posted on 08/05/2008 8:16:20 PM PDT by Wolfstar
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To: Wolfstar

Do they administer IQ tests to FBI agents?


2 posted on 08/05/2008 8:19:08 PM PDT by Brian S. Fitzgerald
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To: Wolfstar
The FBI deserves their tattered reputation.

They'll do their 'blame it on the dead guy' dance when in all likelihood it was their pressure tactics on an unstable man that drove him to suicide.

And don't forget the Boston Office of the FBI and their stellar work in the Whitey Bulger case...

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3 posted on 08/05/2008 8:24:34 PM PDT by Lurker (Islam is an insane death cult. Any other aspects are PR to get them within throat-cutting range.)
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“According to the scientist, who said he spent about 80 hours with Ivins to help him recover from his addiction, the FBI agents pressured Ivins’s children, and they were pressuring Ivins in public places. One day in March, when Ivins was at a Frederick mall with his wife and son, the agents confronted the researcher and said, “You killed a bunch of people.” Then they turned to his wife and said, “Do you know he killed people?” according to the scientist.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/05/AR2008080503747.html


4 posted on 08/05/2008 8:27:08 PM PDT by Shermy (OOOOOOObama where the waffles come sweeping down the plains)
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A death of convenience...

I'll always believe that Iraq was behind the anthrax...BUT Osama's dudes were to be the deliverers.

Wonder what Hatfill thinks of this event.

5 posted on 08/05/2008 8:45:16 PM PDT by Sacajaweau (I'm planting corn...Have to feed my car...)
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To: Wolfstar
I'll take Limited Government for $1000, Alex.

A: ...offered his son $2.5 million to rat him out...

Q: What would the Founders have done to "get" someone who they thought was guilty?

Correct!!! Ding, ding, ding!

The Founders would have whipped out the ol' bottomless taxpayer checkbook and cut the son a government check without blinking.

Probably for $5 million, though - you know how timid and uncertain government agents are in THIS day and age...

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Or maybe that was "The Founders would NEVER have offered to pay a witness like this".

I get confused between the "ALWAYS" and "NEVER" deal sometimes...

6 posted on 08/05/2008 8:46:25 PM PDT by an amused spectator (Wikipedia: The Truth Was Out There, but it was reverted...)
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FBI used aggressive tactics in anthrax probe

Not as "aggressive" as when they incinerated scores of innocent men, women, and CHILDREN at Waco.

7 posted on 08/05/2008 8:57:24 PM PDT by DocH (hussein and juan - what kind of choice is THAT? God help us.)
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To: Brian S. Fitzgerald
Do they administer IQ tests to FBI agents?

Good question these days.

8 posted on 08/05/2008 9:10:52 PM PDT by Wolfstar ("My 80% friend is not my enemy." Ronald Reagan)
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And don't forget the Boston Office of the FBI and their stellar work in the Whitey Bulger case...

There's been way too many such FBI cases over the past 15 to 18 years or so.

9 posted on 08/05/2008 9:12:05 PM PDT by Wolfstar ("My 80% friend is not my enemy." Ronald Reagan)
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Yes, FBI is attempting to "shut down anthrax investigation" now that they've been able to drive some poor soul to suicide (if that is what really happened)so they may shut this "investigation" with all deliberate speed.

The really beneficial news for FBI is that their latest victim will not be able file a lawsuit against the FBI for "ruining his life."

10 posted on 08/05/2008 9:13:34 PM PDT by zerosix (native sunflower)
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One day in March, when Ivins was at a Frederick mall with his wife and son, the agents confronted the researcher and said, “You killed a bunch of people.” Then they turned to his wife and said, “Do you know he killed people?” according to the scientist.”

Whoever committed the anthrax attacks, whether it was Ivins or not, that kind of behavior by the FBI is astoundingly unprofessional. Hatfill is a strong personality and he had friends who helped him fight back. This guy Ivins apparently was a much less strong individual emotionally. Whether or not he was guilty or innocent, the extreme pressure by the FBI is clearly what pushed him over the edge to take his own life.

That, of course, plays right into the FBI's hands, because now they can claim anything against Ivins without risk of anyone fighting back.

11 posted on 08/05/2008 9:18:19 PM PDT by Wolfstar ("My 80% friend is not my enemy." Ronald Reagan)
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I'll always believe that Iraq was behind the anthrax...

Me too, and our circumstantial evidence is at least as good as whatever the FBI has. Their track history over nearly the last two decades makes it impossible to believe whatever "evidence" they come up with, because they not only could manufacture it, they HAVE manufactured evidence in many cases.

12 posted on 08/05/2008 9:21:31 PM PDT by Wolfstar ("My 80% friend is not my enemy." Ronald Reagan)
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To: zerosix
The really beneficial news for FBI is that their latest victim will not be able file a lawsuit against the FBI for "ruining his life."

Exactly. Whether or not Ivins was guilty of the anthrax attacks, it's become impossible to believe the FBI anymore.

13 posted on 08/05/2008 9:23:03 PM PDT by Wolfstar ("My 80% friend is not my enemy." Ronald Reagan)
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To: Wolfstar

WSJ: Bruce Ivins wasn’t the anthrax culprit.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2056608/posts


14 posted on 08/05/2008 9:25:16 PM PDT by ntnychik
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To: Wolfstar

The Feebs have been a rogue agency since at least the 1960s. Dunno how law-abiding they were before that.


15 posted on 08/05/2008 11:35:12 PM PDT by karnage
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To: Wolfstar

Couldn’t his estate take some action?


16 posted on 08/06/2008 1:57:09 AM PDT by PghBaldy (Obama is hiding something about his birth, parents or name- but what?)
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To: Lurker
The FBI bungled the case of Marty Frankel, the man that embezzled billions from insurance companies. One of the men that was laundering the money here in Mississippi only had to pay back $6 Million of the money he received (estimated that he laundered over $70 Million dollars) and spent less than a year and a half in prison. The money launderer here in Mississippi is now spending his ill gotten monies like a drunken sailor again, buying up restaurants and land. IMO the FBI did a pretty piss poor job of investigating the expenditures of the launderer.

This launderer has been seen in local papers supporting the local new House Democrat, Travis Childers, who also supported Joey Langston, the lawyer convicted in the Dickie Scruggs Judge bribery scandal.

17 posted on 08/06/2008 4:56:30 AM PDT by vetvetdoug
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To: Shermy
One day in March, when Ivins was at a Frederick mall with his wife and son, the agents confronted the researcher and said, “You killed a bunch of people.” Then they turned to his wife and said, “Do you know he killed people?” according to the scientist.”

I would now be sitting in the federal pen for aggravated assault and battery against these FBI nincompoops if they had done this to me and my wife.

18 posted on 08/06/2008 6:51:13 AM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner ("We must not forget that there is a war on and our troops are in the thick of it!"--Duncan Hunter)
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Couldn’t his estate take some action?

Good question, but I don't know the answer. If Ivins was innocent, I hope the family can and does sue.

19 posted on 08/06/2008 6:59:16 AM PDT by Wolfstar ("My 80% friend is not my enemy." Ronald Reagan)
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To: vetvetdoug
IMO the FBI did a pretty piss poor job of investigating the expenditures of the launderer.

They also have done squat in terms of charging Rep. William Jefferson, the congressman found with loot in his freezer after Hurricane Katrina. Supposedly the FBI videotaped him accepting $100,000 in $100 bills from a Northern Virginia investor who was wearing an FBI wire. That was in 2005, before Katrina. So where is the indictment of Jefferson -- or did I miss news reporting of it? FBI Says Jefferson Was Filmed Taking Cash

The Justice Department has found ways to indict Republicans, but no Democrats, not even one like Jefferson who was supposedly caught in the act of accepting a bribe.

20 posted on 08/06/2008 7:07:48 AM PDT by Wolfstar ("My 80% friend is not my enemy." Ronald Reagan)
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