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To: WorkerbeeCitizen

“Wouldn’t it be odd if the Hawaiian records show that neither of them were born in Hawaii.”

If his mother was a US citizen, even if he is born on foreign soil that still makes him a US citizen, doesn’t it?

What is the real issue here?


32 posted on 08/05/2008 5:12:36 AM PDT by webstersII
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To: webstersII

If his mother was a US citizen, even if he is born on foreign soil that still makes him a US citizen, doesn’t it?

No


33 posted on 08/05/2008 5:14:52 AM PDT by Neville72 (uist)
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To: webstersII

The interesting interpretation of this situation is that the US law in effect at the time required that the mother have been a US citizen for 5 years at the time of the child’s birth (if born on foreign soil). Obama’s mother was (I believe) 19 and some make the case that she had been a citizen of legal age for only 1 year. Therefore, if born in Kenya (big if), Obama would not be considered a naturalized citizen and could not be elected president.


34 posted on 08/05/2008 5:18:29 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Et si omnes ego non)
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To: webstersII
If his mother was a US citizen, even if he is born on foreign soil that still makes him a US citizen, doesn’t it?

Only if he were born on a military installation outside the continental U.S., such as McCain being born in Panama, I believe...or ME, for that matter, having been born to a Canadian mother and an American G.I. Dad at Pepperill AFB, St. John's Newfoundland. THAT is what gives me my U.S. Citizenship.

39 posted on 08/05/2008 5:22:58 AM PDT by nfldgirl (Tribe Member: 'Runs with Rush')
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To: webstersII

No, by constitution, his mother would have had to live here for 5 years over the age of 16. She was 18 when she had him. Plus, if she were married to a Kenyan, as Obama claims, he would be dual UK citizen. THEN, he was adopted by an Indonesian, that would make him dual citizen of Indonesia.

A president cannot have held, or hold dual citizenship with another country.

But by hanging on to his father’s name and identity, and the all the “Father” books that have nothing to do with the man who raised him, but only with the man who abandoned him at the age of TWO years old. He is wiping out his citizenship and/or religion.


56 posted on 08/05/2008 5:55:46 AM PDT by autumnraine
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To: webstersII
If his mother was a US citizen, even if he is born on foreign soil that still makes him a US citizen, doesn’t it?

For that answer, I refer you to the Law of Nations, which is contained in Article 1, Section 8, Clause 10 of the US Constitution.

BOOK I. OF NATIONS CONSIDERED IN THEMSELVES
CHAP. XIX. OF OUR NATIVE COUNTRY, AND SEVERAL THINGS THAT RELATE TO IT.

§ 215. Children of citizens born in a foreign country.
It is asked whether the children born of citizens in a foreign country are citizens? The laws have decided this question in several countries, and their regulations must be followed.(59) By the law of nature alone, children follow the condition of their fathers, and enter into all their rights (§ 212); the place of birth produces no change in this particular, and cannot, of itself, furnish any reason for taking from a child what nature has given him; I say "of itself," for, civil or political laws may, for particular reasons, ordain otherwise. But I suppose that the father has not entirely quitted his country in order to settle elsewhere. If he has fixed his abode in a foreign country, he is become a member of another society, at least as a perpetual inhabitant; and his children will be members of it also.

The citizenship of the father determines the citizenship of the child, so Obama is NOT a natural born citizen according to Constitutional law.

70 posted on 08/05/2008 6:24:39 AM PDT by MamaTexan (A US citizen is a subject, but a US National is a sovereign)
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To: webstersII

That he forged his birth certificate.


99 posted on 08/05/2008 7:04:11 AM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: webstersII

Yes, speculation is a luxury - The real issue here is, at the very least, a forged document was presented as a legal one by a candidate for the presidency of the United States of America.


127 posted on 08/05/2008 8:35:32 AM PDT by WorkerbeeCitizen (Seinfeld was a show about nothing - so is Obama.)
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