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What Happened To Justice In America? (Compean & Ramos)
humanevents.com ^ | 08/04/2008 ET | Rep. Dana Rohrabacher

Posted on 08/04/2008 10:15:39 AM PDT by kellynla

What happened to justice in America? It certainly wasn’t served on July 28 when the 5th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals upheld the unjust convictions of Border Patrol Agents Ignacio Ramos and Jose Compean. As it stands today, these two brave border protectors must now serve out their full 10-plus-year sentences for shooting and wounding a Mexican drug smuggler they encountered while he was carrying a million-dollar payload of narcotics along the Southern border in Texas. What started off as simple procedural mistakes by the agents has turned into an unimaginable travesty of justice unlike anything I’ve ever seen in my 30 years in Washington, D.C.

It’s difficult to reconcile why U.S. Attorney Johnny Sutton would choose to seek out drug smuggler Osvaldo Aldrete-Davila, in Mexico to offer him immunity, unconditional border-crossing cards and free medical care in exchange for his testimony against the border agents. Ramos and Compean did not wake up the morning of Feb.17, 2005, with the intention of committing a crime, unlike the illegal alien drug-smuggling “victim.” They put on their uniforms, strapped their weapons around their waists and pinned on their badges, as they had for five and 10 years respectively, with the intention of patrolling our borders to protect America.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: aliens; badshoot; borderagents; borderpatrol; compean; dirtycops; dirtyprosecutor; houseofdeath; illegals; immigrantlist; immigration; justice; liarcops; ramos; ramoscompean; rohrabacher; sutton
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Republican Congressman Dana Rohrabacher represents California's 46th District
1 posted on 08/04/2008 10:15:40 AM PDT by kellynla
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To: kellynla; Ajnin; abner; AndrewC; Arizona Carolyn; Brad's Gramma; Brytani; calex59; Calpernia; ...

PING!

RAMOS/COMPEAN Ping
Please freepmail me if you want on or off this list.


2 posted on 08/04/2008 10:19:31 AM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: kellynla

Because as we become more Marxist, politics dominate the legal system. Think Russian/Chinese political prisoners.

Think it can’t happen here?


3 posted on 08/04/2008 10:19:46 AM PDT by whitedog57
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To: kellynla

The only opinion that counts, is the one given by the 12 people charged with rendering the verdict. It was upheld. Mandatory sentences, law of unintended consequences. I don’t care what you say, there has to be one set of rules for everyone, not special ones for LEO. If anything they need to be held to a higher standard since they are given such awesome power.


4 posted on 08/04/2008 10:19:59 AM PDT by rednesss (Fred Thompson - 2008)
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To: calcowgirl

http://www.star-telegram.com/national_news/story/790570.html

The agents’ lawyers said they will seek a rehearing before the appeals court and are prepared to take the case even further if necessary.

“I think it’s far from over,” said Dallas attorney Bob Baskett, who represents Compean. Ramos’ attorney, David Botsford of Austin, said that if the rehearing efforts are unsuccessful, “then I’ll take it to the Supreme Court.”


5 posted on 08/04/2008 10:23:18 AM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: kellynla

Wouldn’t want to offend mexico...

Bush Jr. Is getting to be more like Bush Sr.

You can almost hear Dana Carvey saying “Wouldn’t be prudent... not at this juncture”


6 posted on 08/04/2008 10:34:29 AM PDT by Mr. K (Some days even my lucky rocketship underpants don't help)
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To: kellynla

Justice traded places with illegal aliens. Justice went south when illegals came north as cheap labor.


7 posted on 08/04/2008 10:36:44 AM PDT by dforest (I had almost forgotten that McCain is the nominee. Too bad I was reminded.)
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To: rednesss
I have no sympathy for what Ramos and Campeon did. A suspect was shot without justification, he was clubbed with a shotgun butt (where do you find that tactic in any police training manual?), and they tried to obstruct justice.

That said, the chief witness against them violated his immunity agreement, hence, the charges against Ramos and Campeon should have been dismissed, but most definately they should have lost their jobs.
8 posted on 08/04/2008 10:41:20 AM PDT by attiladhun2 (Obama is the anti-Reagan, instead of opposing the world's tyrants, he wants to embrace them)
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To: kellynla

“It’s difficult to reconcile why U.S. Attorney Johnny Sutton would choose to seek out drug smuggler Osvaldo Aldrete-Davila, in Mexico to offer him immunity, unconditional border-crossing cards and free medical care in exchange for his testimony against the border agents.”

Shakespeare was right. America is overrun with lawyers. Lawyers care only about winning. Ergo we get absurd immunity agreements like this one and information hidden from a jury.


9 posted on 08/04/2008 10:49:29 AM PDT by MIT-Elephant ("Armed with what? Spitballs?")
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To: attiladhun2
he was clubbed with a shotgun butt

Whew! Just makin' it up as you go, I see!

What a bunch of BS!

10 posted on 08/04/2008 10:54:46 AM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: attiladhun2

I agree with your opinion. And there is malfeasance on the behalf of the prosecutor. Ramos and Campeon should easily win in appeal but I suspect they will be pardoned this fall in any event.


11 posted on 08/04/2008 10:58:21 AM PDT by iThinkBig
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To: calcowgirl
bttt

Our nation is in a scary place, ccg, if this wrong isn't righted.

12 posted on 08/04/2008 11:00:35 AM PDT by Guenevere
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Good for Rep Rohrbacher to speak up

Now, its time for Bush to either pardon Ramos and Compean....or be impeached for treason. Supporting illegal alien dope dealers over US law enforcement is treason.

It is anti-American to value the rights of illegal aliens over the rights of Americans. Especially if the illegal alien is hauling drugs, and law enforcement is trying to stop them.

Obviously there are pro-illegal/anti-American liberals in here posting...you keeping seeing the same BS “12 jurors voted, and thats the way it is” (the jurors were withheld evidence) and “they used a gun butt on the illegal”. I guess using “but, we got to be nice to illegals” is running out of steam.

This case makes me sick....and if there is no pardon the GOP can kiss my votes goodbye


13 posted on 08/04/2008 11:03:24 AM PDT by UCFRoadWarrior (McBama....Over 300 Million Screwed)
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To: AuntB; Tennessee Nana; Travis McGee; bcsco

ping


14 posted on 08/04/2008 11:05:44 AM PDT by Guenevere
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To: Guenevere

Picked up on it earlier. It’ll be on tomorrow’s ping.


15 posted on 08/04/2008 11:12:55 AM PDT by bcsco (Obama: SPINciple in chief!)
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To: attiladhun2

The, Welcome to Aztlan. I hardly no where to start so I will address the “shot without justification” aspect of your post.

What we know is that a weapon was discharged. We know that an alien criminal was fighting with Border Patrol Officers and fled. We know officers discharged their weapons but didn’t believe they hit their target. I suppose it may have been the whole “suspect running to a car” that lead them to believe they had not hit him.

All we know is that this criminal alien might have been shot. A big time drug runner that so loved running drugs that he could not suspend the activity even during the period of his immunity to testify. There were no ballistics provided and I find it very hard to believe a surgeon would not have saved the bullet for ballistics testing. It is also not beyond belief that a drug runner was shot in Mexico by a rival or for a variety of other reasons.

There are murderers who are not serving ten years and will be out of prison in less time. The officer fired at him because they thought he had a weapon. There is no way to prove they didn’t think he had one. Since he escaped into Mexico there is absolutely no proof that he didn’t have a firearm or that he was shot by these officers. This was a miscarriage of justice. Of this there can be no doubt. This was a snow job from the word, “go”.


16 posted on 08/04/2008 11:18:41 AM PDT by WildcatClan (Duncan Hunter isn't opaque.)
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To: iThinkBig

They likely won’t win, even on further appeal. The trier of fact, in this case the jury, decides what facts are worthy of belief and weight, and their findings won’t be overturned on appeal abuse of discretion, proof of prosecutorial misconduct (concealing evidence from the defense) or newly discovered evidence. Since the defense knew about the evidence but couldn’t get it in, it won’t enter into the court’s decision absent the above abuse of discretion.

Colonel, USAFR


17 posted on 08/04/2008 11:36:12 AM PDT by jagusafr ("Bugs, Mr. Rico! Zillions of 'em!" - Robert Heinlein)
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To: jagusafr

that’s “absent” abuse of discretion...


18 posted on 08/04/2008 11:37:54 AM PDT by jagusafr ("Bugs, Mr. Rico! Zillions of 'em!" - Robert Heinlein)
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To: calcowgirl
“I think it’s far from over,” said Dallas attorney Bob Baskett, who represents Compean. Ramos’ attorney, David Botsford of Austin, said that if the rehearing efforts are unsuccessful, “then I’ll take it to the Supreme Court.”

I sure didn't think it would have to go this far but if it does, I hope these attys are successful!

Thanks for the ping!

19 posted on 08/04/2008 11:50:44 AM PDT by CAluvdubya (A good man has come home to San Diego! Thank you Congressman Hunter)
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To: calcowgirl
"he was clubbed with a shotgun butt "

Whew! Just makin' it up as you go, I see!

I thought I was going crazy trying to remember THAT one! LOL

20 posted on 08/04/2008 11:53:55 AM PDT by CAluvdubya (A good man has come home to San Diego! Thank you Congressman Hunter)
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