Posted on 08/03/2008 1:31:44 PM PDT by Perdogg
#39
“against women”
Interestingly, Ivins wrote a letter to the editor of his local paper urging the Catholic Church to allow women to become priests.
I actually tried to kill myself with Tylenol PM. I was 15 and washed it down with cooking sherry, I think. Ended up throwing up (which is good cause I wasn’t taken to ER). It seems odd for a 62 yr scientist to do it that way unless it was somehwat not planned, even if it had oxycontin (which does NOTHING for me too mild).
The bomb necklace was in ERIE PA. It was a National City Bank holdup. Fox News did a good (Rivera) doc on it a few years back. They just watched the guy as it blew off and he was killed.
ok...I do remember something about that too.
You’re dealing with a sleep deprived woman here :) - brain cells aren’t firing quite right.
tylenol 3 has codeine and is different than tylenol pm.
You can get tylenol pm off the shelf.
suicide by tylenol pm is a miserable way to go.
The kid I know who tried it must have had his stomach pumped, or he threw up - because he isn’t suffering from organ damage, thank God.
I’m glad you are ok and still with us.
“Interestingly, Ivins wrote a letter to the editor of his local paper urging the Catholic Church to allow women to become priests.”
isn’t that interesting.
not exactly a typical thing with your “devout pro-life catholic” type.
I guess you've never been harassed by law enforcement before.
You really should read up on totalitarian investigation tactics. Pay attention to the parts about breaking the will of the suspect.
Even a cursory understanding of the causes of effectiveness of propaganda sheds light on the power of the "dripping faucet" effect.
“I guess you’ve never been harassed by law enforcement before.”
isolated incidents - but never the target of something like this - no.
I don’t buy it!
ok - did a little google search on the bomb necklace.
Crazy crazy stuff.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Douglas_Wells
No, no connection at all. Just don't look behind the curtains.
SEPTEMBER 5, 2001 : (WTC : HAMMAD DOES WORK ON WTC SPRINKLER SYSTEM --- See MAGIC PLUMBING & HEATING, 9/11 INVESTIGATION, TN LICENSE CASE -- BROOKLYN CELL) Sakher “Rocky” Hammad, who works for Magic Plumbing and Heating on 93rd Street in Brooklyn, is known to have done work on the sprinkler system in the World Trade Center, and when arrested he has a photo ID WTC visitor’s pass for this date. The identity of the tenant who hired him is not known. On 2/5/02, Hammad is one of five Arab men arrested in connection with the fiery murder of Tennessee drivers’ license examiner Katherine Smith several days earlier. Hammad also spent time in the Bay Ridge section of Brooklyn in 2000. ------Link: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/629113/posts
SEPTEMBER 11, 2001 : (WTC CENTER ----- See SAKHER "ROCKY" HAMMAD , MAGIC PLUMBING & HEATING, BROOKLYN CELL) “The sprinkler system had turned on and had started to do something, but it wasn't doing its job as it should, so there was water sloshing down the stairways.” --------- http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/674846/posts 132 posted on 01/26/2007 4:39:14 PM PST by Calpernia | To 128
SEPTEMBER 11, 2001 : ( NY TO MEMPHIS, TN - See : TN LICENSE FRAUD CASE, ?MAGIC PLUMBING?, 9/11 SCOUTS) One of the men, authorities say, drove from New York to Memphis on September 11 -- the day of the terrorist attack on the World Trade Center. And one of them, at the time of his [Sakher A Hammad's] arrest, was carrying in his wallet a pass to the trade center dated September 5. -------?http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/655625/posts?page=61 Link to another Staten Island connection
FEBRUARY 5, 2002 : (SAKHER "ROCKY" HAMMAD IS ARRESTED-- See MAGIC PLUMBING & HEATING, TN DMV CASE, BROOKLYN CELL) On 2/5/02, Hammad is one of five Arab men arrested in connection with the fiery murder of Tennessee drivers’ license examiner Katherine Smith several days earlier. Hammad also spent time in the Bay Ridge section of Brooklyn in 2000. ------Link: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/629113/posts
[He was arrested for the licensing fraud, not the murder, which I believe took place while he was under arrest .]
You Pocono guys really know how to have some fun! I used to have a house on Wallenpaupack. We never blew anyone up mind you, but we did blow up plenty of objects. The winter months were WAY TOO BORING! The place became over-run by New Yorkers.
Just about any drug, in sufficient quantity, can very easily be lethal. That is art of the classical definition of a "drug"...
the infowarrior
>>>A few weeks ago some retired agents expressly called the investigation incompetent.
Ivins may have been one too, from reading this:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2054721/posts?page=146#146
http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/08/04/anthrax/
Monday Aug. 4, 2008 06:32 EDT
Additional key facts re: the anthrax investigation
It’s perfectly possible that Bruce Ivins really is the anthrax attacker — that he perpetrated the attacks and did so alone. Perhaps the FBI is in possession of mountains of conclusive evidence that, once revealed, will leave no doubt that Ivins is the guilty party. But no rational person could possibly assume that to be the case given the paltry amount of facts — many of which contradict one another — that are now known. Several points to note:
(1) Two prominent journalism professors — Jay Rosen of NYU and Dan Gillmor at the Center for Citizen Media, affiliated with the Walter Cronkite School of Journalism & Mass Communication at Arizona State University and the Berkman Center for Internet & Society at Harvard University Law School — have added their names to the list of people calling on ABC News and Brian Ross to reveal their sources for ABC’s false bentonite story that was used to link the anthrax attacks to Iraq. Rosen and Gillmor both write that ABC and Ross should answer three questions which they jointly outline, and they both set forth the reasons, grounded in widely accepted principles of journalistic ethics, as to why ABC and Ross should do so.
(2) So much of the public reporting about Ivins has been devoted to depicting him as a highly unstable psychotic who had been issuing extremely violent threats and who had a violent past. But that depiction has been based almost exclusively on the uncorroborated claims of Jean Carol Duley, a social worker (not a psychiatrist or psychologist) who, as recently as last year, was apparently still in college at Hood’s College in Frederick, Maryland. Duley’s scrawled handwritten complaint against Ivins, seeking a Protective Order, has served as the basis for much of the reporting regarding Ivins’ mental state, yet it is hardly the model of a competent or authoritative professional. Quite the opposite.
Duley herself has a history that, at the very least, raises questions about her credibility. She has a rather lengthy involvement with the courts in Frederick, including two very recent convictions for driving under the influence — one from 2007 and one from 2006 — as well as a complaint filed against her for battery by her ex-husband. Here is Duley’s record from the Maryland Judicial data base:
Just three months ago, Duley pled guilty and was sentenced to probation (and fined $1,000), as a result of having been stopped in December, while driving at 1:35 a.m., and charged with driving under the influence:
On April 21, 2006, Duley was also charged with “driving a vehicle while impaired by alcohol,” driving “while impaired by drugs or alcohol,” and reckless driving, and on October 13, 2006, she pled guilty to the charge of reckless driving and was fined $580. Back in 1992, Duley was criminally charged with battery against what appeared to be her now-ex-husband (and she filed a complaint against him as well). Later that same year, she was criminally charged with possession of drug paraphenalia with intent to use, charges which appear to have been ultimately dismissed.
Prior to the restraining order against Ivins which Duley obtained two weeks ago, Ivins had no criminal record at all, at least not in Frederick. A story in today’s Frederick News-Post quotes Duley’s fiancee as claiming: “She had to quit her job and is now unable to work, and we have spent our savings on attorneys.” But she doesn’t appear to have used an attorney for her complaint against Ivins. If anything, her savings were likely depleted from attorneys’ fees, court costs, and fines and probation for her various criminal proceedings (Larisa Alexandrovna has more details on Duley).
None of this is to defend Ivins, nor is to suggest that this constitutes evidence that Duley is lying or is otherwise inaccurate in her claims. As I said, it’s perfectly possible that Ivins is guilty of being the anthrax attacker. I have no opinion on whether he is. The point is that nobody should have any opinion on that question — one way or the other — until they see the FBI’s evidence.
What is certain is that Jean Carol Duley is hardly some upstanding, authoritative source on Bruce Ivins’ psychological state or his guilt, nor is she some accomplished and highly credible psychological professional, notwithstanding the fact that most media depictions of Ivins are based on uncritical recitations of her accusations. The fact that her depiction contradicts not only the claims of virtually everyone else who knew Ivins but also numerous facts about how Ivins was treated even by the FBI (see below), suggests that a large amount of skepticism is warranted.
(3) The initial report from The Los Angeles Times’ David Willman said that Ivins committed suicide “just as the Justice Department was about to file criminal charges against him for the attacks.” But an article from The New York Times’ Scott Shane this morning reported that the evidence against Ivins “was largely circumstantial” and that the “grand jury in Washington was planning to hear several more weeks of testimony before issuing an indictment.”
According to The Washington Post, Ivins enjoyed full-scale clearance at Fort Detrick as late as July 10 — hardly what one would expect if the FBI were so certain that he was the anthrax attacker. And judging from an article in today’s local Frederick newspaper, The Frederick-News Post Online, the FBI is still searching for evidence against Ivins, as they removed two computers from a public library there.
Members of Congress with some personal stake in this case and who have been attempting to assert some oversight on the FBI’s investigation over the last six years — Tom Daschle, Pat Leahy, Rush Holt — have been uniformly critical of how it has been handled. Numerous experts continue to raise serious doubts about whether Ivins even had the ability to access and handle anthrax of the type that was sent to Daschle and Leahy. Maybe the FBI’s evidence demonstrates that he could and did. Maybe it doesn’t. But under all circumstances, it’s inconceivable that anyone would be content with having the FBI simply keep its alleged evidence to itself and not have a full public airing and accounting of what has happened here, an accounting that should include the news organizations — led by ABC — which are in possession of vital information that they continue to conceal.
Latest LA times article here:
http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/front/la-na-anthrax4-2008aug04,0,6131835.story?page=2
This report is must-see. Also, click on the video, it contains more information.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26007186/
This report is must-see. Also, click on the video, it contains more information.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26007186/
If she was as terrified of Ivins as she claims to be, why did she continue to see him? Are therapists required by law to work with people who come to see them?
Also, I don't know if she is an actual doctor or not, but is she not committing some kind of violation by revealing all this "information" about Ivins to the general public? I would think anything she discussed with him would be privileged information, even after his death.
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