Posted on 08/02/2008 2:47:43 PM PDT by SatinDoll
Go to the following link:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080802/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/anthrax_scientist;_ylt=AgpXdjIZlwoeIFgrTXxXC41H2ocA
I would consider it too.
Between the kooks and the spooks, nobody will believe anything no matter what they say.
It would be interesting to hear what was in the case they were building against Ivins. Especially after the Hatfill debacle.
100 years hence...We will find out the truth and it will lead directly to the doorstep of Iraq as the “provider”.
You can’t convict a “dead man”. He has rights, too.
Why didn't Ivins stick around to see evidence?
Ivans was only being pursued for leaking Hatfill’s name as a suspect.
The news media wants to pretend, as does the FBI, that Ivans actually perpetrated the anthrax attacks.
Not the case.
Ivans just leaked Hatfill’s name to the press, illegally.
Some people do stick it out and, like Hatfill, take the Feds to the bank. That was your tax dollars paid to Hatfill for the investigators overzealous pursuit of an innocent.
Some can’t take the pressure and act out or implode.
Dr.Ivins appears to be either one or both of that type.
And sometimes guilty people walk free.
And yet the Hatfill you talk about did not go to jail.
And the guy the Feds moved on next killed himself pretty darn quick.
So on the one hand we have a living man that stuck by his innocence for a long time and on the other hand we have a quickly dead guy.
I would say that is taxpayer money well spent.
“And the guy the Feds moved on next killed himself pretty darn quick.”
Wrong. that’s part of the anonymous slant the govt. is spinning.
They were going after him for up to two years.
They probably “exonerated” Hatfill a year ago. But salvaging the best possible win for govt. in the court case was more important.
Your argument, in essence, is that the federal investigative / prosecutorial function is an instrument of Darwinian Selection.
I really don’t believe that any rational conservative actually believes that.
Please clarify.
First off, curb the “rational” type insults.
Secondly our perception of my position is faulty on the face of it. Unless you are happy removing reality from this discussion.
That’s about all the explanation a Troll deserves.
Committing suicide is not an admission of guilt. There is much to this case that never makes it into the lead articles.
I strongly recommend you go to the following article, and pay special attention to post #9:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2046494/posts
Excerpt: “...It thus appears that the FBI’s theory is that it was more than a happy coincidence for Ayman Zawahiri that an active supporter of the Taliban and supporter of jihad was a US biodefense insider. Microbiologist Al-Timimi worked in the same building as famed Russian bioweapons scientist Ken Alibek and former USAMRIID Deputy Commander and Acting Commander Charles Bailey. Dr. Bailey would publish a lot of research with the “Ames strain” of anthrax...”
They were going after him for up to two years.”
The fact is that as soon as this guy learned charges were to be filed against him, he killed himself. That is what I am referring to.
I don't know about two years going after him. A serious crime was committed I hope the Feds were looking at and questioning, or you know “going after”, many people.
That is supposition. Not evidence he committed any crime.
You are the person removing reality from this discussion.
This is the posting from “Obama On Anthrax” that you want to “go beyond”.
- In a filing unsealed this Spring, Dr. Ali Al-Timimi’s lawyer explained that his client “was considered an anthrax weapons suspect.” Al-Timimi was a microbiologist who had worked in the building housing the “Center for Biodefense” funded by the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (”DARPA”). He came to have an office 15 feet from the leading anthrax scientist and the former deputy commander of USAMRIID. Dr. Al-Timimi’s counsel summarizes:
“we know Dr. Al-Timimi:
* was interviewed in 1994 by the FBI and Secret Service regarding his ties to the perpetrators of the first World Trade Center bombing;
* was referenced in the August 6, 2001 Presidential Daily Briefing (”Bin Laden Determined to Strike in US”) as one of seventy individuals regarding whom the FBI is conducting full field investigations on a national basis;
* was described to his brother by the FBI within days of the 9-11 attacks as an immediate suspect in the Al Qaeda conspiracy;
* was contacted by the FBI only nine days after 9-11 and asked about the attacks and its perpetrators;
* was considered an anthrax weapons suspect;
[redacted]
* was described during his trial by FBI agent John Wyman as having “extensive ties” with the “broader al-Qaeda network”;
* was described in the indictment and superseding indictment as being associated with terrorists seeking harm to the United States;
* was a participant in dozens of international overseas calls to individuals known to have been under suspicion of Al-Qaeda ties like Al-Hawali; and
* was associated with the long investigation of the Virginia Jihad Group.
***
The conversation with [Bin Laden’s sheik] Al-Hawali on September 19, 2001 was central to the indictment and raised at trial. Al-Timimi called Dr. Hawali after the dinner with Kwon on September 16, 2001 and just two hours before he met with Kwon and Hassan for the last time on September 19, 2001.
[911 imam] Anwar Al-Aulaqi goes directly to Dr. Al-Timimi’s state of mind and his role in the alleged conspiracy. The 9-11 Report indicates that Special Agent Ammerman interviewed Al-Aulaqi just before or shortly after his October 2002 visit to Dr. Al-Timimi’s home to discuss the attacks and his efforts to reach out to the U.S. government.
[IANA head] Bassem Khafagi was questioned about Dr. Al-Timimi before 9-11 in Jordan, purportedly at the behest of American intelligence. [redacted ] He was specifically asked about Dr. Al-Timimi’s connection to Bin Laden prior to Dr. Al-Timimi’s arrest. He was later interviewed by the FBI about Dr. Al-Timimi. Clearly, such early investigations go directly to the allegations of Dr. Al-Timimi’s connections to terrorists and Bin Laden — [redacted]”
The letter by Al-Timimi’s counsel attached as an exhibit is equally meaty. An example of an additional detail is that in March 2002, Dr. Al-Timimi spoke with Dr. Al-Hawali (Bin Laden’s sheik who was the subject of OBL’s “Declaration of War”) about assisting Moussaoui in his defense.
The filing and the letter exhibit each copy defense co-counsel, the daughter of the lead prosecutor in Amerithrax. That prosecutor has pled the Fifth Amendment concerning all the leaks hyping a “POI” of the other Amerithrax squad, Dr. Steve Hatfill.
In an e-mail obtained by FOX News, scientists at Fort Detrick openly discussed how the anthrax powder they were asked to analyze after the attacks was nearly identical to that made by one of their colleagues.
“Then he said he had to look at a lot of samples that the FBI had prepared ... to duplicate the letter material.” “Then the bombshell. He said that the best duplication of the material was the stuff made by [name redacted]. He said that it was almost exactly the same — his knees got shaky and he sputtered, ‘But I told the General we didn’t make spore powder!’”
FOX News reports:
“The FBI has narrowed its focus to ‘about four’ suspects in the 6 1/2-year investigation of the deadly anthrax attacks of 2001, and at least three of those suspects are linked to the Army’s bioweapons research facility at Fort Detrick in Maryland, FOX News has learned.
Among the pool of suspects are three scientists — a former deputy commander, a leading anthrax scientist and a microbiologist — linked to the research facility, known as USAMRIID.”
It thus appears that the FBI’s theory is that it was more than a happy coincidence for Ayman Zawahiri that an active supporter of the Taliban and supporter of jihad was a US biodefense insider. Microbiologist Al-Timimi worked in the same building as famed Russian bioweapons scientist Ken Alibek and former USAMRIID Deputy Commander and Acting Commander Charles Bailey. Dr. Bailey would publish a lot of research with the “Ames strain” of anthrax. Al-Timimi was a current associate and former student of Bin Laden’s spiritual advisor, dissident Saudi Sheik al-Hawali. Ali would speak along with the blind sheik’s son at charity conferences — the blind sheik’s son served on Al Qaeda’s WMD committee. Al-Timimi’s mentor Bilal Philips was known for recruiting members of the military to jihad. The first week after 9/11, FBI agents questioned Al-Timimi. He was a microbiology graduate student in a program jointly run by George Mason University and the American Type Culture Collection (”ATCC”). Ali, according to his lawyer, had been questioned by an FBI agent and Secret Service agent in 1994 after the 1993 World Trade Center bombing. He had a high security clearance for work for the Navy in the late 1990s. The defense webpage reported that in 1996, for two months had worked for the White House Chief of Staff Andrew Card (who had been Secretary of Transportation in 1992-1993). As time off from his university studies permitted, Ali was an active speaker with the charity Islamic Assembly of North America
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Accusing a dead man of committing a crime because he had created a vaccine is disengenious. He worked in a field were it would be natural to try and created a vaccine against a potentially devastating bioweapon. I won’t assume him to be evil just because there was the potential for a fortune upon its implimentation. If you used that as a template for every life-saving invention then thousands would be automatically guilty.
Your position, Berlin_Freeper is faulty. By the way, that’s a nice looking Dalmatian on your brag page.
“I won’t assume him to be evil just because there was the potential for a fortune upon its implimentation.”
Well... maybe a small fortune.
I read today that at most, he may have made a few tens of thousands of dollars. Maybe.
So this is a guy who has spent his whole life doing research to benefit other people, is active in church, is a volunteer for the Red Cross, and as a long-time, highly-decorated federal employee with a Ph.D. and a couple of patents under his belt, is likely a GS-15 making north of $120K per year, and he goes and commits a brazen mass murder for a few extra bucks.
Yeah, that really makes a whole lot of sense.
Doesn't it??
sitetest
“Committing suicide is not an admission of guilt. “ Thank you. The govt will imply it is, but I know that if I felt like I was being persecuted, I would freak out. Especially if they swayed my family I was guilty. A brother of mine lied about me a year ago. Stupid thing, he said I threatened him & his wife with violence. Because of that, my life, and my coworker’s lives were changed forever. This guy could have been innocent, but felt powerless against the Feds. I hope they didn’t drive an innocent to his death.
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