Posted on 08/02/2008 2:07:52 PM PDT by Shermy
Norman Covert, 65, a retired Fort Detrick spokesman, served with Ivins for 11 years on a committee that reviewed how lab animals were used in research. He said the FBI "had been leaning on him (Ivins) for some time. That would stress anybody out."
"I see no evidence to show that it's Bruce. It could be anyone else in that microbacteriology lab or anywhere else in the world" because the strain of anthax used in the attacks, though originating at Fort Detrick, had been available around the world since the late 1970s, Covert said.
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Los Angeles Times "broke" the Ivins story yesterday. Here is there follow-up from today where the FBI, quietly, suggests Ivins' motive was an anthrax vaccine he had a hand in.
Ping.
I swear Pat Robertson is losing his touch!
No liberal newspapers got the anthrax.
Only the New York Post, which is not liberal. Interestingly, the New York Times was not targeted, which I would think more likely applying the “lone right wing nut” theory.
Leni
After seeing what happened with Hatfill, I really hope the FBI has targeted the right man. The media is reporting this as if this guy is known to be guilty, with reports of him being a stalker as well, and the man has killed himself - his wife, children and friends must be going through hell. Hopefully the FBI has the right guy.
I hope so too, but I have the nasty suspicion he was being made a scapegoat.
Interesting that this man was the primary researcher whose “information” was the justification for the pushing of the Anthrax vaccine on our troops. This stinks to hell. This man was suspect long ago. Rumsfeld was to shut the vaccine program down and two days before doing so “someone” mails the spores. Nice!
The hand written notes of Duley, the so-called “court document”, allege he had homocidal tendencies against therapists, not the public.
He probably did have a mental breakdown. That would make him not the first but second “person of interest” in this case which FBI tactics caused to breakdown. The other was Ken Berry.
There’s lots of possible coincidences, including the pushing of the Patriot Act at the time.
“...people have to go through a rigorous process...includes background checks...medical examinations before they are given access to USAMRIID’s biocontainment suites, but...not sure if that process includes psychological examinations.”
I know of electrical utilities operating nuclear power facilities that maintain rigorous psychological testing of all personnel having access to nuclear facilities. We don’t want any psychoes getting access to nukie control rooms, now do we? But the Feds don’t test personnel with access to potential bioweapons?
Also, I find this story disgusting. The man is dead, never convicted or even charged with a felony, and this newspaper states some crap about his “homocidal tendencies” and how he was about to be charged with five “murders”.
Anyone under duress by authorities can feel paranoid to the extent of violent intent.
He’s very wrong.
Send him a wiki link. ;-)
The article in the Seattle Times, said that he had made very specific threats against his fellow employees and that the order that was taken out against him was a restraining order because of the threats.
Ivins had told a therapy group that he had purchased a bullet proof vest because he was facing murder charges and that he intended to take as many of his fellow employees out as he could, before he was arrested.
Now, Ivins is supposed to be the one.
You're not buying it either, I gather.
It would be nice to see some evidence on Ivins' involvement, rather than allegations. Or press reports -- since the media have been accessories with the FBI throughout this investigation.
Maryland’s chief medical examiner, Dr. David Fowler, confirmed Saturday that Ivins died Tuesday morning at Frederick, Md., Memorial Hospital; that the cause of death was found to be an overdose of acetaminophen, the active drug in Tylenol; and that it was ruled a suicide based on information from police and doctors.
http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/WireStory?id=5502344&page=3
Lots? No, not at all. Its not close to reality to see how this man was tied into the vaccine program and into the release of these spores and suggest that it was something else. There are not "lots" of reasons. The whole program is another Clinton legacy saga and this mans so-called "research" was the definitive used to force it on the soldiers.
I see that.
It comes from Duley again. According to a court transcript.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/02/us/02scientist.html?em
“He is a revenge killer,” Ms. Duley told a Maryland District Court judge in Frederick as she sought a restraining order against Dr. Ivins. “When he feels that he has been slighted, and especially towards women, he plots and actually tries to carry out revenge killings.”
That’s very wild. She’s not a doctor. How does Duley know him, and how long? How can she say he’s been doing this since his “graduate days.”
No doubt Ivins cracked, but I think it was at the end of his life.
From ABC
“The Justice Department attributed the break in the case to “new and sophisticated scientific tools.” Investigators said the science focused, in part, on how the anthrax strains were handled and who had access to it at the time of the mailings.
Had the same process been used years ago, it would have cleared Hatfill, according to two people familiar with the FBI investigation who spoke on condition of anonymity because the case is not officially closed.”
Dubious. The proof now is that the germs came from Fort Detrick, and the theory always was that Hatfill’s mere presence there gave him access. If by “handle” they mean the anthrax was actually very sophisticated, that will be another grave flip flop.
Can we trust anything the government says these days?
I don’t know if this guy is guilty or not.
He may be - it certainly sounds as if there is evidence to that effect.
But we still have a legal system that considers a person innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.
Our government at all levels has accused and crucified too many innocent people in the press over the last years.
They were fighting a lawsuit to pay damages to another person falsely accused of this very same crime at the same time they were working to pin the crime on this new suspect.
Commiting suicide is not a defacto admission of guilt - government pressure alone could drive some to take their own lives and accusations of suicide are not always correct.
This is the same government that erroneously told us for months that the recent Salmonella epidemic was being caused by domestically grown tomatoes.
Yet they had no evidence to point in that direction and had absolutely no proof at all.
I think they are mostly incompetent bureaucrats and political hacks with agendas and I cannot accept their statements in any matter without rock solid proof.
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