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Turning the Tide in the Water Crisis (Dumb & Dumber!)
Los Angeles Times ^ | July 31, 2008 | Arnold Schwarzenegger and Dianne Feinstein

Posted on 07/31/2008 9:17:55 PM PDT by kellynla

The wildfires that have burned more than 1 million acres are the most visible symptom of another long, hot, dry summer in California. Less visible, though no less devastating, are the effects that the prolonged drought has on the state's water supply and environment.

Although no one disagrees on the urgent need to fight the fires, there has long been sharp disagreement about how to address California's chronic water shortage.

The time has come to break the stalemate.

So, in the spirit of bipartisan cooperation, earlier this month we offered a compromise water bond package for the Legislature's consideration. We believe it is critical that the Legislature act swiftly to place such a measure on the November ballot.

Why the hurry? Put simply, our water supply is in jeopardy. We are experiencing the second year of drought, and 2008 had the driest spring ever recorded in the northern Sierra and other parts of Northern California. If the dry conditions continue into next year, we could be facing the worst drought in California history.

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Editorial; Government
KEYWORDS: calbondage; calinitiatives; calwaterworks; environment; water
"Our proposal includes modernization of our aging water systems, significant investment in healing and safeguarding the Sacramento-San Joaquin River Delta and other important ecosystems, increased water storage in reservoirs and underground aquifers, improved conveyance and a strong focus on conservation programs.

If you want to resolve the water issue my proposal would not only give CA all the water it will ever need but all the electricity CA will ever need. Can you say "cogeneration nuclear power plant." Yes, here we are with all the water we will ever need on our doorstep and the only proposal "Dumb & Dumber" can come up with is a big fat "Band-Aid!" By building cogeneration nuclear power plants along the coast; CA will not only have all the electricity but all the water the state will ever need too!
1 posted on 07/31/2008 9:17:55 PM PDT by kellynla
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To: calcowgirl; Ernest_at_the_Beach; NormsRevenge

ping


2 posted on 07/31/2008 9:18:31 PM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: kellynla

start desalination of the ocean water.


3 posted on 07/31/2008 9:24:32 PM PDT by television is just wrong
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To: television is just wrong

“start desalination of the ocean water.”

uhhhhhhhhh...that’s what I’m talking about...


4 posted on 07/31/2008 9:26:04 PM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: kellynla
Arnold Schwarzenegger and Dianne Feinstein ..." So, in the spirit of bipartisan cooperation..."

I'm scared to read more. ;-)

5 posted on 07/31/2008 9:26:19 PM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: calcowgirl

yea, well all you have to read is the paragraph I quoted in my first post... Dumb & Dumber’s “proposal”...which is a big nothing!


6 posted on 07/31/2008 9:29:42 PM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: kellynla; calcowgirl; ElkGroveDan; Carry_Okie; Randy Larsen; WilliamofCarmichael; budwiesest; ...

You are absolutely correct, kellynla! Failing that, they should at least finish the Auburn Dam and the peripheral canal that were both stopped in the mid seventies through Democrat political mischeif!!!


7 posted on 07/31/2008 9:36:47 PM PDT by SierraWasp (I'm not against the environment, just GovernMental EnvironMentalism!!! (our new state religion))
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To: kellynla

I didn’t know there was such a thing as a “cogeneration” nuclear power plant. I thought the problem with nuclear power was the inability to get rid of the waste.


8 posted on 07/31/2008 9:37:53 PM PDT by Old Seadog
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To: kellynla
"In the spirit of bipartisan cooperation . . ." we grew a set and ran for office.

Silly me.

Never mind.

9 posted on 07/31/2008 9:42:17 PM PDT by sig226 (Real power is not the ability to destroy an enemy. It is the willingness to do it.)
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To: Old Seadog

” I didn’t know there was such a thing as a “cogeneration” nuclear power plant. I thought the problem with nuclear power was the inability to get rid of the waste.”

You’re a little behind the times. LOL

“Rapid increases in population levels have led to greater demands for fresh water and electricity in the Arab World. Different types of energies are needed to contribute to bridging the gap between increased demand and production. Increased levels of safeguards in nuclear power plants have became reliable due to their large operational experience, which now exceeds 11,000 years of operation. Thus, the nuclear power industry should be attracting greater attention. World electricity production from nuclear power has risen from 1.7% in 1970 to 17%-20% today. This ratio had increased in June 2002 to reach more than 30%, 33% and 42% in Europe, Japan, and South Korea respectively.”
http://www.inderscience.com/search/index.php?action=record&rec_id=3677&prevQuery=&ps=10&m=or

Nuclear Desalination
http://www.world-nuclear.org/info/inf71.html


10 posted on 07/31/2008 9:44:39 PM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: Old Seadog; kellynla
Only Jane Fonda and her ilk still believe and continue to promote the idea that those used up hot rods are actually "waste!" They can and are being reprocessed in Japan, France and several other third world countries.

Meanwhile, the USA sits here with designs for "Breeder Reactors" in a Jimmy Carter inspired deep freeze that would recycle so-called "waste," or spent rods into such a small mass for the whole US that it would all fit in a shoebox along with some of Jane's pumps!!!

11 posted on 07/31/2008 9:56:51 PM PDT by SierraWasp (I'm not against the environment, just GovernMental EnvironMentalism!!! (our new state religion))
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To: kellynla

Can California still borrow these billions?


12 posted on 07/31/2008 9:56:51 PM PDT by dennisw (That Muhammad was a charlatan. Islam is a hoax, an imperialistic ideology, disguised as religion.)
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To: kellynla

the thing that really gets me is they load all these p eople into this state and tell them to conserve?

we can recycle and c onserve til forever and they will continue to move more people in here and tell us to save even more. It is like a really nasty experiment they are playing on us.

If we need water desalinate the ocean water. If we need electricity, time to go nuclear. It is their job to provide us with the services not continue to tax and not provide SHIT.


13 posted on 07/31/2008 9:58:40 PM PDT by television is just wrong
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To: SierraWasp
they should at least finish the Auburn Dam and the peripheral canal

Sierra Wasp is right!

Unless of course they settle on the Folsom South Canal corridor, then I am going to be the biggest NIMBY ever and join hands with the enviro-whackos and hippies to oppose it since it would run about 200 feet away from my new home.

14 posted on 07/31/2008 10:08:59 PM PDT by ElkGroveDan (The road to hell is paved with the stones of pragmatism.)
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To: television is just wrong; ElkGroveDan
"SHIT"

That stands for Sure Happy It's Thursday, right? (snort!)

15 posted on 07/31/2008 10:11:52 PM PDT by SierraWasp (I'm not against the environment, just GovernMental EnvironMentalism!!! (our new state religion))
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To: SierraWasp

uh, ok it can.


16 posted on 07/31/2008 10:15:57 PM PDT by television is just wrong
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To: television is just wrong

I wuz justa wonderin... Goodnight. I gotta go take my bloodpressure medication now. Schwartzenfrauder just makes me too pist and off I go in a cloud of contempt!!!


17 posted on 07/31/2008 10:19:22 PM PDT by SierraWasp (I'm not against the environment, just GovernMental EnvironMentalism!!! (our new state religion))
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To: kellynla
You are so right about co-generation - nuclear-powered-electricity + desalinization.

The following:

"Our proposal includes modernization of our aging water systems, significant investment in healing and safeguarding the Sacramento-San Joaquin River Delta and other important ecosystems, increased water storage in reservoirs and underground aquifers, improved conveyance and a strong focus on conservation programs.

will never provide long range and long term solutions to:

(1) the long term natural history of the southern half of the state indicates that it has never, in thousands of years, had a sustained climate for long that could produce a sustainable water supply supply for the population level that exists there today and will exist there in the future unless mother nature, or war, decimates it to the level of the 1700s; in fact, in the southern part of the state, long droughts have been more the norm than the exception;

(2) the long term natural history of the northern half of the state indicates that it has never, in thousands of years, had a sustained climate for long that could produce a sustainable water supply sufficient for the population that exists there plus a surplus for the population that exists in the southern half of the state, much less what both halves of the state will require as the population continues to grow;

(3) while these factors were recognized long ago, and the Colorado River, on California's western border, was harnessed for the state's water supply, primarily for southern California, current trends indicate it, as a source of water for California, will not keep up with population growth unless something drastically increases the sources of the Colorado River - water from the Rocky Mountain range, north and east of Nevada.

Therefore the measures proposed will become mere stop gaps and inefficient - they cannot resolve the long term problem - the natural water supply from "climate" and continental sources cannot, by any natural means, meet the long term needs of the actual civilization inhabiting California.

The state MUST use the Pacific Ocean as a water resource and the sooner it starts that effort then the cheaper it will be, the less money it will waste on ineffective stop gap solutions and the fewer "water crises" it will experience in the long run - droughts or no droughts.

Many of the problems concerning issues in the northern half of the state would be greatly relieved, and made easier for conservation measures to help alleviate, if desalinization ended the need for waters from the northern half to be sent south in the American Canal. Not moving to desalinization will make northern conservation measures insufficient to any long term solutions. The crisis will repeat themselves, perennially.

18 posted on 07/31/2008 10:23:02 PM PDT by Wuli
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To: kellynla
California has had water bond measures before and NOTHING was done to improve the reliability and safety of California's water supply. Just how stupid do Red Arnold and DiFi think California voters are?

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

19 posted on 08/01/2008 3:33:02 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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