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What's wrong with science as religion
Salon.com ^ | 31 Jul 08 | Karl Giberson

Posted on 07/31/2008 12:54:12 PM PDT by AreaMan

What's wrong with science as religion

Piercing a Communion wafer with a nail and throwing it in the garbage, as one crusading biologist recently did, does science no favors.


By Karl Giberson


Jul. 31, 2008 | PZ Myers is a true believer, a science crusader with the singled-minded enthusiasm of a televangelist. A biologist at the University of Minnesota at Morris and a columnist for Seed magazine, Myers has earned notoriety with his blog, Pharyngula, in which he reports on new developments in biology and indiscriminately excoriates those he views as hostile to science, a pantheon of straw men and women that includes theologians, journalists and churchgoers. He is Richard Dawkins without the fame or felicitous prose style.

Currently, Myers is under fire from his university and an army of righteous Catholics over his self-proclaimed "Great Desecration" caper. On July 24, he pierced a Communion wafer with a rusty nail ("I hope Jesus' tetanus shots are up to date," he quipped) and threw it in the trash with coffee grounds and a banana peel. The nail also cut through pages of the Quran and Dawkins' "The God Delusion." He featured a photo of the "desecration" on his blog, and wrote, "Nothing must be held sacred. God is not great, Jesus is not your lord, you are not disciples of any charismatic prophet."

Religion is dangerous, he wrote; it breeds hatred and idiocy. It is our job to advance humanity's knowledge "by winnowing out the errors of past generations and finding deeper understanding of reality." There is no wisdom in our dogmas, Myers warned, just "self-satisfied ignorance." We find truth only in science, looking at the world "with fresh eyes and a questioning mind."

As a fellow scientist (I have a Ph.D. in physics), I share Myers' enthusiasm for fresh eyes, questioning minds and the power of science. And I worry about dogmatism and the kind of zealotry that motivates the faithful to blow themselves up, shoot abortion doctors and persecute homosexuals. But I also worry about narrow exclusiveness that champions the scientific way of knowing to the exclusion of all else. I don't like to see science turned into a club to bash religious believers.

Also, Myers doesn't seem to like me.

When Salon interviewed me about my new book, "Saving Darwin," I suggested that science doesn't know everything, that there might be a reality beyond science, and that religion might be about God and not merely about the human quest for a nonexistent God. These remarks got me condemned to whatever hell Myers believes in.

Myers accused me of having "fantastic personal delusions" that could actually lead people astray. "I will have no truck with the perpetuation of fallacious illusions, whether honeyed or bitter," Myers wrote, "and consider the Gibersons of this world to be corruptors of a better truth. That's harsh, I know ... but he is undermining the core of rationalism we ought to be building, and I find his beliefs pernicious."

Myers' confident condemnations put me in mind of that great American preacher, Jonathan Edwards, who waxed eloquent in his famous 1741 speech, "Sinners at the Hands of an Angry God," about the miserable delusions that lead humans to reject the truth and spend eternity in hell. We still have preachers like Edwards today, of course; they can be found on the Trinity Broadcasting Network. But now we also have a new type of preacher, the Rev. PZ Myers.

Impressive scientific progress has spawned these new preachers in the centuries since crowds sat spellbound under the judgmental voice of Edwards. Like their traditional counterpart, the new preachers speak with great confidence that their religion -- science -- contains all the truth we need to know and all the truth that can be known. They call us to worship at the altar of science, a summons of which I am skeptical, to say the least.

The best-known men of scientific cloth are Dawkins and Christopher Hitchens, but Dawkins' Oxford colleague, chemist Peter Atkins, gets my vote for best preacher. Atkins' provocative sermon, aptly titled "The Creation," invites the reader on a journey back to the ultimate origins of everything. On this journey we learn that "there is nothing that cannot be explained, and that everything is extraordinarily simple." Like the religious journeys Atkins invokes, it is a journey of faith, but not too much, since faith is like a tumor -- the smaller the better. "The only faith we need for the journey is the belief that everything can be understood and, ultimately, that there is nothing to explain," he writes.

After summarizing what we know about origins in elegant but breathtakingly speculative prose, Atkins borrows biblical language to address the deep question implied by his title: "In the beginning there was nothing. Absolute void, not merely empty space. There was no space; nor was there time, for this was before time. The universe was without form and void."

Eventually, as we journey with Atkins, stuff happens -- stars, planets, life, people, music, art, magazines. But how did it start? How did the universe go from being "without form and void" to this fascinating place we see today? "By chance" says Atkins, "there was a fluctuation."

Excuse me, Rev. Atkins, but could you please be just a bit more specific? Can you tell me what you mean by "absolute void"? Is that an empirical, testable concept? It sounds suspiciously like a metaphor for something in which you want to believe. As a matter of fact, the suggestion that nothing can naturally fluctuate into everything sounds a lot like a faith statement on a par with belief in God.

Stories like those told by Atkins in "The Creation" are passed off as science, as if our best physics, chemistry and biology lead naturally to these conclusions. The new creation stories are reworded to make it clear that these new scientific stories are replacements for their religious predecessors. Rather than "In the beginning was the word," where word, from the Greek logos, meaning "underlying rational structure," is identified with God, Atkins gives us, "In the beginning there was nothing."

Don't get me wrong. Atkins tells a great story. And telling stories is the way we communicate meaning, whether it's oracles making pronouncements or Carl Sagan explaining how the cosmos came to be. Sometimes these stories are true and sometimes they are not; sometimes we can't tell. But our human tendency is to embed meaning in stories, and all great preachers have been great storytellers. Jesus spoke in parables, not theological discourses.

Our affinity for such stories, says evolutionary psychologist Edward O. Wilson of Harvard University, is helped along by hard-wired religious impulses, created by millenniums of evolution. Wilson says our minds have "mythopoeic requirements" -- a need for stories that provide meaning and purpose.

Wilson's personal story testifies to the mythopoeic power of both religious and scientific stories. Raised Southern Baptist, he gave his heart to Jesus as a boy, and worshiped the biblical God -- until his studies at the University of Alabama convinced him that his religious faith was incompatible with his emerging new scientific faith.

Like the so-called new atheists, with their out-of-the-confessional aversion to traditional religion, Wilson now argues that if we are serious about the salvation of our race, we had better turn to science. "The mythopoeic requirements of the mind," he says in his Pulitzer Prize-winning "On Human Nature," "must somehow be met by scientific materialism." In "Three Scientists and Their Gods," Wilson told Robert Wright that we must learn to "worship the evolutionary epic."

Wilson, along with Atkins, Dawkins, Daniel Dennett and others, persuades us that science has, for thinking people, discredited religion. Nevertheless, they are quick to borrow from a religion they reject and take delight in using biblical metaphors. And as their science evolves to meet the "mythopoeic requirements" of their minds, it increasingly resembles religion.

During Wilson's teenage crisis of faith, he didn't just shrug his shoulders and bid his childhood Christian beliefs farewell, as he had done some years earlier with his belief in Santa Claus. Instead, he reconstituted his faith. He replaced the Genesis story with a modern scientific creation story; he replaced Christian ethical directives with ones derived from ecology; and he replaced the worship of God with the worship of the grand story of evolution. It was a new package, informed by better evidence and logic, and it appears to have worked well for him. But it does require faith that the study of nature can provide ethical directives, and not just descriptions of natural phenomena. Showing that species are going extinct faster now than in the past does not automatically obligate us to any particular behavior.

Nobel laureate Steven Weinberg, a physicist at the University of Texas, concludes "The First Three Minutes" with these cheery words: "The more the universe is comprehensible, the more it seems pointless." The universe that we optimistically call our "cosmic home" is nothing of the sort, says Weinberg. Our existence is a "more-or-less farcical outcome of a chain of accidents." The human story is a tale told by idiots suffering from delusions of both purpose and grandeur, and we are all actors in this grand farce.

Yet even as gravity pulls Weinberg into the black hole of bleakness, he suggests that there is, perhaps, a ray of hope -- a sliver of salvation -- in science, which "lifts human life a little above the level of farce and gives it some of the grace of tragedy." Weinberg, like poor Job in the Old Testament, finds the world troubling. But his response, like Job's, suggests that the dreariness of the world has not completely extinguished his mythopoeic impulse.

Science, it would appear, has the raw material for a new religion. Trust traditionally placed in God can be relocated to science, which is reliable and faithful, as well as ennobling. Life can be oriented in a reverential way around the celebration and protection of the great diversity wrought by the evolutionary epic, a diversity that has produced creatures capable of reflecting on this grand mystery.

The grand creation story at the heart of this new religion of science inspires reverence among those invested in its exploration. The world disclosed in this story rests on a foundation of reliable and remarkable natural laws. These laws -- gravity tethering our planet to the sun, fusion reactions producing sunlight, chemistry enabling our metabolism -- possess the capacity to bring forth matter, galaxies, stars, planets and even life, all within a framework of natural processes that we can understand. And as we decipher these processes, their marvelous character only enlarges. No matter how well we understand them, they still evoke awe and surprise. The modern scientific creation story is so much more than a mere alternative to the traditional biblical myth of Adam and Eve; it is a genuinely religious myth with an astonishing depth and a proffered competence to meet the needs of the religious seeker -- the needs that draw millions of Americans to their houses of worship every Sunday morning.

The other pieces of the new religion also fall naturally into place. Our existence is a gigantic miracle, billions of years in the making, and way more interesting than any magical conversion of water into wine. The atoms in our bodies were forged in the furnaces of ancient stars that exploded, seeding our galaxy with rich chemistry. Our planet and its life-sustaining sun formed from this recycled stellar debris. "We are stardust, we are golden, we are billion-year-old carbon."

The scientific creation story, unlike the parochial accounts in our religious texts, belongs to all of humanity; it is the story of the Hindus, the Buddhists, the Jews, the Christians, the Confucians, the readers of PZ Myers' blog. We share this story with otters, giraffes, hummingbirds and the stars overhead. Atheist theologian Loyal Rue sees in the universality of the scientific story hope that a fragmented and suspicious humanity might find common ground on which to build a global village of trust and cooperation. "We are, at the moment, in many different places, with many histories and hopes," he writes in "Everybody's Story: Wising Up to the Epic of Evolution." "But we are now called together to one place, to a shared history and to a common vision of enduring promise. If there are saints enough among us, we shall survive."

So there it is -- a brand-new religion, courtesy of modern science. We have a creation myth, ethical directives and a meaningful place for humankind within the grand scheme of things. These are the ingredients that "constructive theologians" like Gordon Kaufman of Harvard Divinity School tell us are common to all religions. As a bonus, we have science to guide us into truth and assure us that we can find solutions to our problems. And we have inquisitors like Myers to ferret out heretics and martyr them on his Web site when they appear.

But is this going to work? Can a religion be built on nature and science, rather than God and sacred texts? And, if it could, would it be better than the old-fashioned religions it is replacing? If our present religions, like milk in our refrigerators, have all expired, we need a replacement to meet our mythopoeic needs. Can science do this for everyone, and not just the residents of ivory towers?

For starters, getting people to worship the new scientific creation story will be no easy task. A few dynamic speakers, like Brian Greene and, until recently, Stephen Hawking, can fill auditoriums with gee-whiz scientific stories of hidden dimensions and many universes. But most people prefer to watch sports and, perhaps not surprisingly, even more attend conventional religious services. Darwinism and big-bang cosmology have never been near and dear to human hearts, especially those filled with old-time religion. Sure, there are true believers who find these scientific ideas awesome in the most literal sense of that word. I am happy to place myself in this group. I can be moved to tears by the transcendent beauty of a math equation.

For science to become a true object of worship, it must elbow aside the reassuring and seductively simple belief that "God loves you." This deeply personal faith statement would have to be replaced with one that says something like: "The cosmos worked really long and hard to create you and you should be really appreciative."

But let's assume for the moment that this is possible -- that science can be canonized, moralized, transcendentalized and politicized into a replacement religion, with followers, codes of conduct, celebrated texts and sacred blogs, houses of worship, "saints" of some sort and inquisitors of another sort. And let's suppose that it's possible for this new religion to move out of the ivory towers of academia, where it lives now, to take its place alongside the other "world" religions, attracting hundreds of millions of adherents drawn from the main streets of the world and all walks of life. What would this new religion be like once it became institutionalized? After all, if religion fills a genuine human need, something has to fill the hole created by its passing -- something that appeals to billions of people.

Could we be sure, for example, that this new scientific religion would not give rise to the extremism and aberrant behavior that plague conventional religions? Would concern for the diversity of life, for example, inspire vegetarians to blow up slaughterhouses, and run the local butcher through his or her own meat grinder? Would reverence for the cosmos reinvigorate astrology? Would appreciation for natural selection bring eugenics back out of the closet? In other words, if science dismantles the traditional religious content that people use to satisfy their impulses -- many of which are quite passionate -- will we really be better off?

There is also no compelling way to get ethical directives from science. To be sure, religion has a version of the same problem, but that simply points up the challenges they both face, not the superiority of science over religion. Even Stephen Jay Gould, the peacemaking agnostic, suggested that religion should make the ethical calls.

On a practical level -- and I write as someone who works in the trenches at an evangelical college -- I am worried that attempts to treat science as if it is a religion will only drive the big, abrasive wedge currently between science and religion even further into the chasm of misunderstanding. What we should hope, instead, is that science can become a more congenial guest in the house -- church, temple, mosque -- of religion and not be so determined to proselytize or even evict all of the current occupants. There is much in religion that need not trouble the scientist and much that the scientist can value. Scientists must learn to live with that.

In order for many of us to truly feel at home in the universe so grandly described by science, that science needs to coexist as peacefully as possible with the creation stories of our religious traditions. I share with Myers, Dawkins and Weinberg the conviction that we are the product of cosmic and biological evolution, that Einstein and Darwin got it right. But I want to believe that, through the eyes of my faith, this is how God created the world and that God cares about that world. Does this belief, shared by so many of our species, make me dangerous?

I am incredibly impressed with the achievements of science. But I don't think science is omniscient and I am not convinced that science will ever know everything. I am not convinced that science is even capable of knowing everything. That we can know as much as we do seems rather miraculous, in fact. Is it so dangerous to believe that there is a bit more to the world than meets the scientific eye, that behind the blackboard filled with equations there is a rational, creative and even caring mind breathing fire into those equations?

-- By Karl Giberson


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Philosophy
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To: Soliton
Provide an example of an unknowable truth please.

By your own standard, any truth that I could name to you wouldn't exactly be unknowable, now would it? This is like considering mathematical methods of generating random numbers, or proving that any given number is, in fact, random with a computer program.

By my standard, a good example would be 'does God exist'? Such a question will never be answered by the scientific method.
221 posted on 08/01/2008 9:32:20 AM PDT by JamesP81 (George Orwell's 1984 was a warning, not a suggestion)
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To: JamesP81
By my standard, a good example would be 'does God exist'? Such a question will never be answered by the scientific method.

What do you mean by "God"?

222 posted on 08/01/2008 9:35:08 AM PDT by Soliton (Investigate, study, learn, then express an opinion)
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To: Soliton
In other words, you are a Christian by an accident of birth.

Actually, no. I was not born a Christian (and I defy you to name someone who is 'born' a Christian). I became one at the age of 12 by my own choice. No one becomes a Christian by accident. Some people have an easier time of it (for example, they don't kill you in the US if you convert to Christianity like they do in some countries). However, my conversion wasn't exactly kosher (if you'll pardon the term) when it happened. I have many family members who are still unhappy about it to this day, as they taught me from birth to not follow traditional Christianity.

So, to further refute your comment, being born in Saudi Arabia or India does not mean I would never have become a Christian. Just that I'd be defying cultural norms to do so.
223 posted on 08/01/2008 9:37:21 AM PDT by JamesP81 (George Orwell's 1984 was a warning, not a suggestion)
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To: Soliton
What do you mean by "God"?

Don't be coy. You know what I mean.

But for the sake of discussion, I am referring to the God of Christianity.
224 posted on 08/01/2008 9:40:51 AM PDT by JamesP81 (George Orwell's 1984 was a warning, not a suggestion)
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To: hosepipe; betty boop; TXnMA
Thank you oh so very much for your encouragements, beloved brother in Christ!

Truly, gender is a physical necessity. But because "man is not the measure of God" we should not superimpose our concept of the physical body onto the spiritual body.

That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. – John 3:6

Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. – I Corinthians 15:50

But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. – Romans 8:9

And of course this:

So also [is] the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam [was made] a quickening spirit. – I Corinthians 15:42-45

To God be the glory!

225 posted on 08/01/2008 9:42:50 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Soliton; JamesP81
[ SOliton to JP81- What do you mean by "God"? ]

More important what do YOU mean by God?..

226 posted on 08/01/2008 9:46:26 AM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: JamesP81
But for the sake of discussion, I am referring to the God of Christianity.

What are the characteristics of the god of Christianity?

227 posted on 08/01/2008 9:47:08 AM PDT by Soliton (Investigate, study, learn, then express an opinion)
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To: Soliton
What are the characteristics of the god of Christianity?

Didn't you win some Bible contest? I'd think you might know this if you had.
228 posted on 08/01/2008 9:51:17 AM PDT by JamesP81 (George Orwell's 1984 was a warning, not a suggestion)
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To: JamesP81

If you want to claim that something exists, you have to identify what characteristics it will have. Since everyone has a different concept of God. It is up to you to supply the charateristics He might have in your opinion. We can then use scientific method to test for evidence of His existence.


229 posted on 08/01/2008 9:56:30 AM PDT by Soliton (Investigate, study, learn, then express an opinion)
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To: Soliton

The characteristics of the God of Christianity are laid out in great detail in that Bible you claim to know so well.


230 posted on 08/01/2008 9:59:14 AM PDT by JamesP81 (George Orwell's 1984 was a warning, not a suggestion)
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To: AreaMan
PZ Myers has written a response.
231 posted on 08/01/2008 11:25:54 AM PDT by MirrorField (Just an opinion from atheist, minarchist and small-l libertarian.)
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To: TXnMA; Alamo-Girl; hosepipe; metmom; Soliton; allmendream; atlaw; Coyoteman; YHAOS; MHGinTN
Man's egocentric insistence that the timescale of our eternal, omnipresent Creator must be measured by the rotation rate of this minor planet -- just because it is the time scale that man uses and comprehends is "making man the measure of God". And that, of course, leads to the YEC fallacy...

"Man is the measure" — either of nature or of God — leads to all kinds of fallacies!

I just wanted to write to say how deeply moving I found this essay-post, and your earlier one at #82 of this thread. Simply marvelous, TXnMA! So beautiful....

IMHO FWIW.

Recently I came to realize that this question of whether man can be the measure of anything, in what way, and to what extent, is at the heart of the great debate between Albert Einstein and Niels Bohr regarding the sufficiency of quantum theory as an ultimate theory of physical reality. That is, this question has already been asked, within the physics community, by the two greatest scientific minds of the twentieth century. Asked — but not yet answered.

The details of this insight will have to wait 'til I can get something down on paper. I'm working on it, and will ping you in due course — for I feel strongly you will find it of interest.

Thank you so very much, dear TXnMA, for your insightful, deeply moving, and beautiful essay-posts!

232 posted on 08/01/2008 11:31:53 AM PDT by betty boop (This country was founded on religious principles. Without God, there is no America. -- Ben Stein)
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To: Soliton; Heartlander; Alamo-Girl; hosepipe; metmom
I am incapable of faith.

This is an untruthful statement, Soliton. For clearly, you do have faith — at the very least in solitons; and then again, in Soliton.

Your capacity for faith is not the issue. The issue is: Why is God such a "bugaboo" for you?

233 posted on 08/01/2008 11:39:20 AM PDT by betty boop (This country was founded on religious principles. Without God, there is no America. -- Ben Stein)
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To: TXnMA; Alamo-Girl; hosepipe; metmom; allmendream; atlaw; Coyoteman; YHAOS; MHGinTN
Man's egocentric insistence that the timescale of our eternal, omnipresent Creator must be measured by the rotation rate of this minor planet

Don't you believe the Bible?

"And there was evening and there was morning, the first day. And there was evening and there was morning, the second day."

Looks like God Himself timed His days to the rotation of the earth.

234 posted on 08/01/2008 11:40:42 AM PDT by Soliton (Investigate, study, learn, then express an opinion)
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To: betty boop

I cannot accept anything as true without evidence. I do not have faith in solitons or in myself.


235 posted on 08/01/2008 11:42:31 AM PDT by Soliton (Investigate, study, learn, then express an opinion)
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To: Soliton
In your arrogance, you fail to recognize a possibility that God's perspective is so much beyond your feeble mental capacity that He can decide to 'look' from the human perspective and describe for you what He 'sees', then have someone record His perspective in that 'look' so you can have a chance to make some semblance of meaning with it. You choose to deny His existence, His ability, His perspective, and His love for you.

Perhaps it would help you to read what the Physicist, Gerald Schroeder, has written regarding the different temporal calculations based upon different where/when for 'looking'. I would provide you with a hotlink, if I thought you actually wanted something more than room to scoff and deride, and show your limitations.

236 posted on 08/01/2008 11:49:16 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: MHGinTN
In your arrogance,

Me arrogant? I'm not the one being so presumptuous as to make excuses for God. If He exists, He doesn't need you making up crap to cover for scientific gaps in the creation myth

237 posted on 08/01/2008 11:53:37 AM PDT by Soliton (Investigate, study, learn, then express an opinion)
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To: Soliton
Ah, the typical arrogant mischaracterization of someone who calls you out. You spout this garbage about how smart you believe you are, yet you aren't using intelligence with your rants, you're massaging your ego thus spewing your emotions in the name of discussion. I have never tried to make an excuse for any gap in the different explanations (some of which are contradictory, btw) being offered. You're delusional in your insulated ego cellar. But you keep stroking your ego. It is so very transparent that it is almost embarrassing to witness your self-imposed blindness.
238 posted on 08/01/2008 11:58:42 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: Soliton; Alamo-Girl; hosepipe; TXnMA
I cannot accept anything as true without evidence. I do not have faith in solitons or in myself.

Good grief, how do you manage to live through an ordinary day with an attitude like this?

Your problem — if you have one — seems to be that you already take so much on faith, but simply don't realize the extent to which you do this....

Plus you avoided answering my question: Why is God such a bugaboo for you?

Don't merely declare there is no proof of God. "Proof" or evidence cannot be forthcoming in a situation where you absolutely deny, as your initial position, the reality of God. If you say He is "not there," then you won't look for Him. And if you don't look for Him, He won't find you.

On like grounds, how would you "prove" the evident, palpable existence of yourself?

FWIW.

Thanks for your reply Soliton!

239 posted on 08/01/2008 11:59:20 AM PDT by betty boop (This country was founded on religious principles. Without God, there is no America. -- Ben Stein)
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To: betty boop
Don't merely declare there is no proof of God. "Proof" or evidence cannot be forthcoming in a situation where you absolutely deny, as your initial position, the reality of God. If you say He is "not there," then you won't look for Him. And if you don't look for Him, He won't find you.

I am happy the way I am. I don't fear ghosts, goblins, devils, or demons. If God exists, He can let me know anytime He wants. If I had evidence, I would be a believer too. The fact that so many believers are rude, semi-literate goobers makes it a hard club to join though.

240 posted on 08/01/2008 12:11:19 PM PDT by Soliton (Investigate, study, learn, then express an opinion)
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