Posted on 07/30/2008 12:41:44 PM PDT by Neville72
NOTE: This post attempts to summarize the status of our investigation and current theories. (Links at end.)
Guest Author Judah Benjamin has given us three well-researched articles, so far, challenging Barack Obama’s eligibility to be President. He argues that the Constitution restricts people with “divided loyalties” from being POTUS, including those who have had multiple citizenships, and he hypothesizes that Sen. Obama became a citizen of Indonesia when he was adopted by his step-father, Lolo Soetoro. Benjamin also questions whether Obama may still possess Indonesian citizenship. To his credit, Benjamin offers to publish an apology to Sen. Obama if documentation disproving the assertions is shown.
WHAT ABOUT THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE?
If you’ve been following our stories, you know that technical experts Techdude and Polarik still maintain that the Certification of Live Birth (COLB) published on the Obama campaign’s official website, FightTheSmears, was forged. I have expressed skepticism about that conclusion, not because I question their skills, but because I find it hard to fathom that Obama, as audacious as he is, would publish a forged COLB. When a newspaper announcement of Obama’s birth in Hawaii was discovered, I stated my belief that Obama was likely born in Honolulu. But I have maintained that Obama is hiding something about his birth record.
SOETORO, OBAMA, OR DUNHAM? MY THEORY ON THE COLB
Thanks to Judah Benjamin’s work, the mystery of Obama’s COLB is quickly being solved — at least in my mind. Here is my current theory of events:
1. Obama was born in Hawaii on Aug. 4, 1961, with the legal name Barack Hussein Obama II, and Barack H. Obama Sr. was identified as his legal father. [NOTE: an alternative theory, that Obama was born in Canada, is still being researched.]
2. Obama was adopted by Lolo Soetoro in Hawaii sometime around 1965-1966.
3. As part of the adoption procedure, pursuant to Hawaiian law, Obama’s original Birth Certificate (BC) was SEALED, and a new Birth Certificate was issued with his new name, Barry Soetoro, and the name of his new father, Lolo Soetoro.
4. Mother and son joined Soetoro in Indonesia, where Barry Soetoro was registered in school as Lolo’s son, a Muslim, and a citizen of Indonesia.
5. After approximately 4 years, Barry Soetoro returned to Hawaii as a U.S. citizen to live with his grandparents and attend private school.
6. At some point before his 18th birthday, he most likely changed his legal name back to Barack Hussein Obama, but his Birth Certificate would not have been modified again unless there was another adoption (by the Dunhams, for example).
SO….IF the above-stated hypotheses are correct, Obama’s current Birth Certificate in Hawaii would identify him as Barry Soetoro and his father would be Lolo Soetoro (unless, as stated, there was another adoption).
Upon request by the registrant (Sen. Obama), the State of Hawaii would issue a COLB in the name of Soetoro for child and father. Is this why the Senator has avoided showing his Birth Certificate? And is this why — if Polarik and Techdude are correct — the COLB published by Obama has been altered?
QUESTIONS:
1. Did Obama’s childhood passport identify him as Soetoro or Obama?
2. If there is a Kenyan Birth Certificate, how was that obtained? (NOTE: One of our researchers still believes that Obama was born in Canada because of the existence of the Kenyan BC, among other reasons, and we will explore that shortly.)
3. Was Barry Soetoro adopted a second time when he returned to Hawaii, perhaps by the Dunhams? (IF there was a second adoption, there would have been another legal change to the BC.)
4. Does Barack Obama hold Indonesian citizenship today, or did he renounce it at some point?
AND FINALLY –
5. If any or all of these hypothesized facts are TRUE, why has Senator Obama deceived the American public?
Stay tuned for more…
See post #20
There would have been a blood-type on the certificate but the guy who determined that was killed in a freak elevator accident before he could let anyone know.
This is predicated on an argument that dual citizenship disqualifies a presidential candidate, based on questionable "allegiance" and "loyalty," under Article II of the Constitution.
Unfortunately, the person making the argument is not a lawyer, and there's no precedent in law for the argument.
Here's the link:
Divided Loyalites, Obama’s Eligibility Problem — PART 1
For what it’s worth, something of that poor of quality would be fairly easy to fake with photoshop. They couldn’t provide a better copy from microfiche?
I defy anyone to prove that wasn’t printed last week in a modern print shop, if they can even prove it ever existed outside of a computer memory.
A document with no provenance that is very low resolution image of what is said to be a microfilm of an originally poor quality printed copy of a neighborhood advertiser isn’t very compelling evidence to shore up a web image of an obviously altered official document.
The only thing that argues this is genuine is that it was found by a clinton operative.
God forbid that anything I care about depends on the veracity of anything remotely related to the clintons.
Anna Toot just happens to be the name of one of Stanley Ann’s g-g-g-grandmothers, apparently she was something of a family hero.
"Obama and his half-sister Maya Soetoro-Ng refer to [Madelyn] Dunham as "Toot" — short for "tutu," the Hawaiian word for grandparent." - Wikipedia
Since the Dunham's ancestors did not live in Hawaii, it seems unlikely that there was such a person as Anna Toot in their family tree.
Stanley Ann was too young to get married in Hawai’i without parental permission.
She was 18 years and nine months old when Barack Jr. was born.
I suppose all that would be required to do this is to look up microfilm of the Honolulu Advertiser at a library. According to Wikipedia it is the largest newspaper in Hawaii. I assumed that is where this image came from.
The Clintons have aversion to a blue dress. Anything else is acceptable.
Yup, the the August 13th Sunday Edition.
I agree.
Read the analysis at the links I posted.
The issue is not where one is born, but rather whether the individual ever took advantage of the citizenship offered.
The example used in analysis to which I linked is that of John McCain, who ostensibly would have been technically eligible for dual Panamanian/U.S. citizenship, but never used it. Rather, he obviously accepted and participated fully in the U.S. citizenship which he acquired at birth and was never Panamanian.
The argument is that Obama may very well have been a full participant in Indonesian citizenship, in probablility even traveling on an Indonesian (and possibly British or Kenyan) passport.
Again, read at the links.
The author, screenname Judah Benjamin, suggests that Obama was adopted by the Indonesian stepfather and that the adoption sealed his original Hawaiian birth certificate. Info on the amended bc (and possibly name changes) may be what they’re trying to hide.
It’s an interesting and well-researched theory.
And that's the only thing I can make out of this theory.
Note that Anna Maria Toot is listed.
Do you always trust Wiki on important things?
Why?
Yes. If only there was a FReeper who lived nearby.
According to Wikipedia it is the largest newspaper in Hawaii.
Wiki again.
I assumed that is where this image came from.
Maybe it is. You know what happens when you assume, don't you?
The only source we have for that is TexasDarlin'.
She's got a couple things that make me a bit skeptical.
#1 She's a PUMA/Hillary!™ operative.
#2 She's in Texas. That's pretty far from the Honolulu library and/or the Honolulu Advertiser's nearest office.
Say ‘Hello’ to President Lolo, Jr.
The problem is that the constitution requires that the president be a “natural born” citizen.
What exactly “natural born” means has been the subject of a rather lively debate, both her on FR and in the legal community.
The general consensus is that anything that would divide a president’s loyalties can be an issue.
Being born in a foreign country, or holding or having ever held a foreign country’s citizenship could factor in of a presidents ability to dispassionately handle a situation involving that country.
All of this conjecture is moot because Obama has already proclaimed universally, “I am a citizen of the world”.
Case closed. End of discussion
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