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How Many Wives Is Too Many? (Polygamy Is Biblical, Gays! Now Sit Down And Shut Up!)
Townhall.com ^ | 7/30/2008 | John Stossel

Posted on 07/29/2008 10:06:01 PM PDT by goldstategop

"Texas authorities on Tuesday indicted the leader of a polygamous sect ... on charges of felony sexual assault on a minor, the first criminal charges to stem from a massive raid on the group's West Texas compound," The Los Angeles Times reported last week (http://tinyurl.com/6oenlz).

The Associated Press and other media used similar words: "indicted polygamist sect leader Warren Jeffs ... charges of felony sexual assault of a child."

Straightforward reporting? In my "20/20" special "Sex in America", polygamy activist Mark Henkel said no, it's an ignorant distortion.

"The media kept saying, 'Polygamist leader, polygamist leader,'" Henkel told me. "But the case actually involved incest and arranged marriage of a girl with her 19-year-old cousin. There wasn't anything [that] had to do with polygamy. [Jeffs] wasn't called an incest leader. He wasn't called an underage-marriage leader. He was called a polygamist leader."

Henkel and his website, TruthBearer, (www.truthbearer.org), campaign against the media and others who lump criminals like Jeffs with all polygamy.

Henkel won't reveal his own family situation. In Maine, where he lives, even purporting to have more than one wife is against the law. Henkel complains that American laws are hypocritical.

"Someone like a Hugh Hefner will have a successful television show with three live-in girlfriends! And that's all OK, and he's making great money, and that's all fine and great entertainment. But suddenly, if that man was to marry them, then suddenly he's a criminal. That's insane!"

Many people, when they hear the word "polygamy," think of fundamentalist Mormons living in cults, but the truth is that there's lots of polygamy in America that has nothing to do with that. First of all, polygamy was banned by the mainstream Mormon Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints in 1890 and is grounds for excommunication. For my "20/20" special, we interviewed Jewish and evangelical Christian polygamists. Henkel's website is subtitled "Organization for Christian Polygamy." He estimates that there are 100,000 polygamists in America.

Ten years ago, University of Georgia Professor Patricia Dixon thought polygamy exploited women. Then she embarked on a study of it.

"I was transformed by the experience."

She spent years living with different polygamous communities. She was surprised to find that polygamy was not about men exploiting women.

"It's female-centered. The women are the ones who are benefiting. ..."

Wouldn't most people say it's about the men getting more sex with more women?

"It's not about another notch on your belt or anything like that. It really is the women who really promote this idea."

Plural marriage is common around the world. In the United States most get married in religious ceremonies but keep quiet about it because what they do is illegal.

The families we met wonder why what they do is illegal. Clearly it's wrong if an older man arranges marriages of young kids, but when adults choose to live this kind of life, why is that evil?

"Because we need marriage for the good of society. I think if we were to see this across the range of society the effect would be negative," Peter Sprigg of the Family Research Council (www.frc.org) told me. He added, "Slavery and polygamy were the twin relics of barbarism. Those are barbaric societies that we've tried to move beyond."

Plenty of religious leaders agree with Sprigg, but Mark Henkel isn't buying it. "If they're saying that's immoral, they're calling the greatest heroes in the Bible ... immoral! ... Saying that Abraham, with his three wives, was immoral. Jacob had four wives. David had seven known named wives before Bathsheba."

Prince Ben-Israel, who has four wives, calls plural marriage a civil-rights issue. "Who is this government that's in somebody's bedroom? ... It was illegal for me to marry a white woman at one time. ... It was illegal for me to vote at one time. And if I had accepted somebody else's definition of what was right and wrong, I would still be riding in the back of the bus.

"We're not saying this is for everybody. Everybody don't like football and basketball or tennis. But those who do oughta be free to do this."


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Editorial; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: flds; johnstossel; libertarianism; notadamandsteve; polygamy; townhall
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To: JennysCool

Hey, from what I understand (which is nothing)

If you take a group of females, and have them all live in the same shared domicile, they quickly synchronize and have their PMS at the same time every month.

A time when “the more the merrier” isn’t true.


21 posted on 07/29/2008 11:08:13 PM PDT by UCANSEE2
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To: goldstategop
How many wives is too many?

One. What did I win?

22 posted on 07/29/2008 11:08:24 PM PDT by Pylon (Remember boys, flies spread disease, so keep yours closed.)
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To: Hi Heels

In reality I’d never get the government involved with a personal relationship.


23 posted on 07/29/2008 11:10:54 PM PDT by Impy (Spellcheck hates Obama, you should too.)
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To: Alice in Wonderland

Uhhhh, please. This is a political forum. Not one of those “sick” websites that you heard about. But that is a nice fantasy.

I’m joking, please don’t take me seriously.

I don’t know. I’m going to sleep.

Please feel free to call me all kinds of names while I’m sleeping and not here to respond. :-)

I’ll wake up tomorrow and my wife will be yelling at me to do something.


24 posted on 07/29/2008 11:12:27 PM PDT by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: UCANSEE2

Exactly.

Polygamy is AMAZINGLY overrated.


25 posted on 07/29/2008 11:13:25 PM PDT by JennysCool
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To: Eric Blair 2084

In New York City it’s called “Domestic Partnership”. Since 1998 extended workplace benefits were granted to the domestic partners of municipal employees.


26 posted on 07/29/2008 11:13:31 PM PDT by Alice in Wonderland
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To: Impy

I agree. Too much government already for my liking.


27 posted on 07/29/2008 11:13:39 PM PDT by Hi Heels (Now here at the Rock we have two rules. Rule #1 obey all rules. Rule #2 no writing on the walls...)
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To: goldstategop
Who is this government that's in somebody's bedroom?

The same one that's in my wallet... >:(

28 posted on 07/29/2008 11:14:04 PM PDT by DTogo (I haven't left the GOP, the GOP left me.)
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To: SatinDoll

How about:

Wise man ducks, before the camel spits.


29 posted on 07/29/2008 11:14:04 PM PDT by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: Alice in Wonderland

Link?


30 posted on 07/29/2008 11:20:13 PM PDT by Hi Heels (Now here at the Rock we have two rules. Rule #1 obey all rules. Rule #2 no writing on the walls...)
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To: Eric Blair 2084

How does that relate to polygamy?


31 posted on 07/29/2008 11:22:23 PM PDT by SatinDoll (Desperately desiring a conservative government.)
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To: Gondring

“Of course, not all of the couples in the YFZ community were polygamous, either.”

That is true.

There were families, that lived in the ‘burbs’, so to speak, who were FLDS members, but did not accept the spirit brides concept in the same way Warren wanted.

The FLDS doesn’t HAVE to keep polygamy, to keep being FLDS.

The FLDS doesn’t HAVE to keep ‘child brides’, to keep being FLDS.

The existence of some few members, who would not bow down to Warren as God, and accepted the laws of the US and Texas, is proof.



32 posted on 07/29/2008 11:22:31 PM PDT by UCANSEE2
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To: Eric Blair 2084

Amen, brother. I have six dogs, one blind, one arthritic, two chihuahuas (I should qualify for counseling for those)and two pekinese who constantly snuff foxtails up their noses.


33 posted on 07/29/2008 11:22:47 PM PDT by Hi Heels (Now here at the Rock we have two rules. Rule #1 obey all rules. Rule #2 no writing on the walls...)
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To: JennysCool

It’s why I insist the FLDS men either work 23 hours a day, or they do some really good drugs.


34 posted on 07/29/2008 11:29:22 PM PDT by UCANSEE2
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To: goldstategop

The way I see it, if the State doesn’t allow or recognize polygamy, there can be no polygamy—fraud, perhaps, but not polygamy.


35 posted on 07/29/2008 11:32:09 PM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Barack Obama--the first black Jimmy Carter.)
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To: Hi Heels; Alice in Wonderland
Guy with afro, in the middle.

: )

36 posted on 07/29/2008 11:33:30 PM PDT by UCANSEE2
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To: UCANSEE2

*snort* Makes about as much sense.....


37 posted on 07/29/2008 11:35:58 PM PDT by Hi Heels (Now here at the Rock we have two rules. Rule #1 obey all rules. Rule #2 no writing on the walls...)
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To: Eric Blair 2084
That meek and submissive stuff is probably just brilliant acting on their part.

Yep. And they can stay in character 24/7 for their entire lifetimes. Surely that should be worth an Oscar.

38 posted on 07/29/2008 11:36:16 PM PDT by goldfinch
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To: jonrick46

“kick yourself in the rear and sit back down.”

If they could do that, why would they ever go out?


39 posted on 07/29/2008 11:37:49 PM PDT by UCANSEE2
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To: Hi Heels
The Salt Lake Tribune

When Men Become Gods -- Mormon Polygamist Warren Jeffs, His Cult of Fear, And The Women Who Fought Back by Stephen Singular. He testified at the senate hearing last week.

ESCAPE by Carolyn Jessop. She also testified at the hearing.

40 posted on 07/29/2008 11:41:23 PM PDT by Alice in Wonderland
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