Posted on 07/27/2008 8:43:01 AM PDT by 2nd amendment mama
The gunman's motive is not yet known. The church, like many other Unitarian Universalist churches, promotes progressive social work, such as desegregation and fighting for the rights of women and gays. The Knoxville congregation has provided sanctuary for political refugees, fed the homeless and founded a chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union, according to its Web site.
what an awful, awful thing to say. Ridiculous.
Not in Knoxville!
As a UU church, it probably is a "gun-free" church -- even if the local community would be tolerant of guns.
Really? What was so aweful and ridiculous about it?
2004. San Francisco. Two Christian Missionaries, a young hetro Christian couple about to be married - shot on the beach in their sleep for their Christian beliefs by Left Wing Terrorists. Repeat loudly and often.
Those were where the first shots of the next civil war were fired, and Waco, and Ruby Ridge, etc. Liberal fascists have a long history of targeting those who aren’t “one of them”.
Awful maybe, but definitely true.
“New”..? Founded in 1774.
OK, so Joseph Goebbels shields Adolph Hitler from an assassin's bullet, does that mean he's going to heaven?
I was good friends with some Unitarians when I was a teenager. There are fine people everywhere. I think that for most people, what you could call "ideology" is only about 15-20% of their personality.
Where did I get that number? Out of thin air.
Nevertheless, people are people first and always: they are never just walking ideologies.
Just shielding someone from attack doesn’t gain you entrance into the Kingdom of Heaven.
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One has to ask....how the hell do you know?
Wow! I had not heard about that - shows you how our media keeps this sort of stuff out of the public’s eye. EVERYONE heard about Harvey Milk. Do you have a link?
The Mainstream Media is spinning this story as a “hate crime” against this church because of their liberal, pro-homosexual beliefs.....
How are they “spinning” as such? In this case it is. He chose that church as his target because of their beliefs.
Like I said, I’m not qualified to judge that. But God is. I leave what is God’s to God.
Agree. But do the Unitarians typically support the RKBA, the Death Penalty, and the right to self-defense?
Generally, my perception is that they're more often the fuzzy leftist sort, and prone to be against such things.
That might be just a Left Coast anomally, as I've no familiarity with the UU's at any "official" level, but that's my perception.
I guess I tend to believe that when Jesus says “only through me”, His mercy and benevolence extends that to those who act as Jesus would, regardless of their particular protestation of faith.
In my view, a Unitarian whose last act is to shield a child from a bullet is a likelier candidate for heaven than a devout protestant who lives ignobly, yet is a true believer on his comfortable deathbed.
not comparable. We’re talking about shielding children here.
And the God I believe in doesn’t save selfish Christians with deathbed confessions, while damning Mahatma Gandhi simply for being a Hindu.
Those who fear God and act morally are deserving of God’s love. Those who trust in the artifice of Man and in earthly possessions are not.
No one is "deserving of God's love". We are all deserving of his judgment.
Yet doesn’t God continue to love us, no matter how we sin? It is the sin that pains Him because it separates us from Him. He is always waiting for the Prodigal to repent and come home - and the Prodigal didn’t have to pass a test or trial or anything else to prove himself.
God always love us. It is our sin that separates us from Him - not His will or rejection.
1 John 4:19 - "We love him, because he first loved us." (KJV)
God is actively working in the prodigal to bring him home, not just waiting for him to return. It is the work of the Holy Spirit that causes us to desire Him, even before we come to Him in faith. Without the work of the Holy Spirit our desire is to ourselves and our own methods of justification. Once the Holy Spirit convinces us of our need for Him then we can come to Him freely through the blood of Christ.
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